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Protestants and Sola Scriptura
Catholic Net ^ | George Sim Johnston

Posted on 05/03/2008 4:38:34 PM PDT by NYer

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To: Petronski

Twisting my words again, I see.

I realize truth can be so unfamiliar as to be challenging for some RC’s to comprehend, understand well at all.


1,361 posted on 05/07/2008 5:12:56 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix

That’s “what Catholic’s say” and “what YOU say they do.”


1,362 posted on 05/07/2008 5:13:25 AM PDT by Petronski (When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth, voting for Hillary.)
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To: Quix
Twisting my words again, I see.

Not at all. It's right here in this thread.

1,363 posted on 05/07/2008 5:14:05 AM PDT by Petronski (When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth, voting for Hillary.)
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To: Fichori
It is my [simple] understanding that the trinity are the only omnipresence. In other words, if Mary could intercede on our behalf, if she could even hear us, she could only listen to one of us at a time.

It is my understanding that "time" does not exist in Heaven. (Or, rather, Heaven does not exist in "time.") If Mary and the other saints are united with God in Heaven, then such questions are not relevent.

1,364 posted on 05/07/2008 5:14:05 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Petronski

LOL.

In the dreams of some RC’s, for sure.


1,365 posted on 05/07/2008 5:14:19 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: wagglebee

Wagglebee, it’s not what Catholics believe, it’s what a handful of hateful anti-Catholics SAY they believe.

Focus on what’s important here!


1,366 posted on 05/07/2008 5:15:01 AM PDT by Petronski (When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth, voting for Hillary.)
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To: Quix

Hubris


1,367 posted on 05/07/2008 5:16:17 AM PDT by Petronski (When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth, voting for Hillary.)
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To: conservativegramma
You mean like the weekend drunken binges and sex and more booze and then more sex so many Catholics engage in then Sunday morning go to Mass, confess their 'sins', then repeat everything all over again the next Saturday night??????

Let your bigotry fly! It's good to have it out in the open.

Sorry to the folks of good will here, few and far between. This is enough.

1,368 posted on 05/07/2008 5:19:28 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Petronski
Wagglebee, it’s not what Catholics believe, it’s what a handful of hateful anti-Catholics SAY they believe.

Yeah I know. It kind of reminds me of the Rooty Rooters, they proclaim something false as true and then get angry when you won't agree with their falsehood.

1,369 posted on 05/07/2008 5:20:16 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: SoothingDave

Sunlight is a fantastically effective disinfectant.


1,370 posted on 05/07/2008 5:23:47 AM PDT by Petronski (When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth, voting for Hillary.)
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To: rollo tomasi
Did Mary have 12 stars around her head and a big star in the middle (Sometimes shown)? If so that represents common image of her deriving from Rev. 12.

I honestly don't remember that detail Rollo since it was 5 years ago. As to Rev. 12 and the woman with the stars around her head (12 stars signifying the 12 tribes of Israel) does not specifically refer to Mary, its referring to the Nation of Israel, for out of Israel comes the Messiah.

"The woman symbolized ISRAEL, as indicated by Genesis 37:9-11, where the sun and the moon referred to Jacob and Rachel, Joseph's parents. The stars in the woman's crown clearly related to the 12 sons of Jacob and identified the woman as Israel fulfilling the Abrahamic Covenant. J.B. Smith cites Isaiah 60:1-3, 20 as proof that the sun refers to Israel's future glory ("A Revelation of Jesus Christ" p. 182). Many commentaries are so intent on attempting to identify Israel as the church that they ignore these plain indications that is woman is ISRAEL. Robert H. Mounce, for instance, makes the woman 'the messianic community, the ideal Israel...(Rev. 12:17). The people of God are one throughout all redemptive history...While there is a unity of the people of God, this does not wipe out dispensational and racial distinctions. The symbolism, while NOT referring specifically to Mary, the mother of Christ, points to Israel as the source of Jesus Christ. Wicked women are sometimes used to represent false religions, as in the case of Jezebel...the apostate church of the end time as a prostitute (Rev. 17:1-7, 15, 18), and Israel as the unfaithful wife of Yahweh (Hosea 2:2-13). The church by contrast is pictured as the virgin bride (2 Cor. 11:2), the Lamb's wife (Rev. 19:7)....while in some sense this may be fulfilled in the birth of Christ to the Virgin Mary, the context seems to refer to the emerging nation of ISRAEL in its suffering prior to the second coming of Christ. This is further supported by the verses which follow." (The Bible Knowledge Commentary, New Testament Edition, Walvoord & Zuck, c1983, p958-959).

But if you want to use a Revelation analogy this blasphemous worship of Mary the RCC is engaged in (and I don't care how loudly you scream, "NO WE DON'T" the evidence is there that you do!) has more to do with the woman who rides the Beast in Revelation 17 'The Mother of Harlots' who is 'drunk with the blood of the saints' and I'm reminded of all the saints down through history the RCC has had burned at the stake. And stars or no stars, or whatever your view of Rev. 12 IS or ISN'T doesn't change the reality of her PROMINENT position on that altar above Christ. I recognize worship when I see it and WHO the object of that worship IS.

1,371 posted on 05/07/2008 5:33:02 AM PDT by conservativegramma
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To: conservativegramma
...this blasphemous worship of Mary the RCC is engaged in...

You are bearing false witness.

1,372 posted on 05/07/2008 5:36:23 AM PDT by Petronski (When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth, voting for Hillary.)
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To: rollo tomasi; conservativegramma
Is this the Church?

Notice there are no statues of any kind on the altar itself.

1,373 posted on 05/07/2008 5:37:07 AM PDT by Titanites
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To: Titanites

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2010858/posts?page=1359#1359

I read everything on the Church’s website. I couldn’t even find anything that confirms that it is named after the Blessed Mother.


1,374 posted on 05/07/2008 5:39:11 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
So, it escapes me how ANY parish can place ANYONE above our Lord.

I believe the insinuation is that they all do.

1,375 posted on 05/07/2008 5:40:49 AM PDT by Petronski (When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth, voting for Hillary.)
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To: wagglebee
I read everything on the Church’s website. I couldn’t even find anything that confirms that it is named after the Blessed Mother.

But surely they worship her above Him.

1,376 posted on 05/07/2008 5:43:56 AM PDT by Titanites
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To: Quix

” Seems like one of satan’s major tools is overblown Mommy Dearest gigs.”

Dude - that nailed it BIG time! It’s called deflection - getting one to take his eyes/mind off the Truth so he we will accept a lie as truth and be led far astray before he’s knows his compass is corrupt.


1,377 posted on 05/07/2008 5:45:58 AM PDT by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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To: Quix

Oh, I can definitely spot one of Satan’s major overblown tools right here on this thread.


1,378 posted on 05/07/2008 5:47:42 AM PDT by Petronski (When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth, voting for Hillary.)
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To: Iscool; conservativegramma; Fichori

I agree with your point about only the Lord God (all 3 persons) being omnipresent (and omniscient, I might add), Mary - being a woman - could converse with 5 or 6 women at once but hardly ever listen to a man :-)


1,379 posted on 05/07/2008 5:49:52 AM PDT by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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To: Titanites; rollo tomasi; conservativegramma; SoothingDave; Petronski
But let's talk about churches and statues.

What about THIS church? You will notice that THIS church even has statues praying to other statues.


(Whose grave are people leaving flowers at? Are they "worshiping" a dead person? Perhaps asking the dead to pray for them?)


(This is a real gem, the family shown IS NOT the Holy Family)

1,380 posted on 05/07/2008 5:59:38 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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