Posted on 05/02/2008 2:09:51 PM PDT by Augustinian monk
***It was not because group ‘X’ ‘collected, sifted, sorted and numbered’ the texts, its in spite if them.
Thats the difference between God preserving something and man preserving something.***
Actually it was. The Holy Spirit inspired them and guided them, but they still did it. Human actions in a human world. We did it and gave it to all. We have accepted the spittle and the abuse of all when we did that.
***Not so...The oak tree produces more little acorns...Your oak tree grows bananas...Thanks God, there are still oak trees that produce acorns...***
And there are those of us who follow the instructions of Jesus rather than forming our own churches and our own theologies. How’s the Church of Iscool (population 1) coming along?
Mary, the verses I posted prove, not just indicate, that one cannot be assured of Salvation.
If we could be assured, then a) we would not have to be Judged, and b) we could then just coast along and do whatever our whims dictate.
I am very happy that you are not of the Calvinist persuasion, which I regard as totally evil and an encroachment by satan into Christianity in order to siphon off souls. Calvinism is based partially upon surety. These verses, indeed the bulk of the Gospels, should easily dispel that evil concept.
Iscool says - "Jesus Christ did not found a church..."+
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It’s simple trolling and may best be ignored.
So who is right, swmobuffalo or Iscool? How many different explanations of Truth can there be?
Iscool says “Jesus Christ did not found a church...”
swmobuffalo says “Right, one flock, one shepherd. Believers and Jesus.”
How many private interpretations of Truth did Our Lord intend?
What denominations do you to claim resemble represent the Truth the closest to your belief?
Of what denomination is Jesus Christ?So you avoid an answer and ask a question. My answer is Christ sent the Holy Ghost to sanctify His Church, to enlighten and strengthen the Apostles, and to enable them to preach the Gospel. Therefore His Church is the One Holy Apostolic Church whose visible head is the Bishop of Rome, the Pope. The Catholic Church is the one He founded by sending us the Paraclete. Are you still ducking the question? What fear have you of identifying your denomination?
Yes...Had quite of few of those critters...Contrary to opinion, they're really quite clean animals, if you'll allow them to be...
But one of the contenders here said that Jesus on the cross is "feckless".
I missed some of the thread apparently (including this post)...I don't remember seeing that one...I don't know how that word feckless was applied...
It is possible that not all Protestants reject crucifixes for the reason that you do.
True; entirely possible...
Jesus already knew they were going to leave, even before he got into his parable...Nothing he could have said would have stopped them...
"There are many Protestant denominations and entities that have no Christian DNA in them."
Yep, about 5000 of them compared to the 45 that are used for your bibles...
(I was unclear. I meant "here" as in "on FR" not as in "on this thread.)
What kind of pigs? Did you pasture them or what? What, short of the Berlin Wall, can keep a pig where you want it?
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Of what denomination is Jesus Christ?So you avoid an answer and ask a question. My answer is Christ sent the Holy Ghost to sanctify His Church, to enlighten and strengthen the Apostles, and to enable them to preach the Gospel. Therefore His Church is the One Holy Apostolic Church whose visible head is the Bishop of Rome, the Pope. The Catholic Church is the one He founded by sending us the Paraclete. Are you still ducking the question? What fear have you of identifying your denomination?
That is a great blessing to hear! And thank you so much for your affirmations. :)
In my view, the tendency of man to see so many things as either/or obstructs his spiritual discernment.
Yes, that is so true. And we can miss so much if we decide to simply throw things out that don't sound "nice". :)
Ever play Three Card Monty? Ever watch Tag Team Wrestling?
It's argument by attrition.
You make of Him a liar.
The fact that the Catholic Church claims to be “The” church is arrogance.<'/i>
How can a fact be "arrogance"? The opinion MAY be arrogantly held AND it may be false or it just might be true (in some sense).
The fact that because other Christians are not acceptable because we members won’t kowtow to the Pope is arrogance.
Not acceptable to whom? Catholics do not formally consider the Catholic Church a "denomination". Only in a loose (and technically improper) sense do we speak of "churches". While the word "Church" translates ekklesia, it is not insignificant that (as I read) it comes from kuriokon - which means, more or less, "belonging to the lord".So, it follows that we do not teach that kow-towing to the Pope is always a requirement of salvation, and that anyone who DOES teach that is misstating our teaching. Some Catholics have misstated our teaching.
We DO say that the "fullness" of the Church on earth is found in the Catholic (please not I am not saying "Roman Catholic" church) Church.
The fact that the Catholic Church bears no resemblance to the first century church or the beliefs and practices they espoused and observed is damning in and of it’s self.
If that WERE a fact, it MIGHT be damning. I've never seen persuasive evidence that it is a fact, myself.
Don’t toss Calvin or the others at me, I don’t care what they say. I can read and understand much and what the Catholic church is today is nothing I want a part of.
I'm sure you can read and understand much. But even the literate and understanding can sometimes err. It is always tricky to tell someone else what He believes when presumably the someone you're telling is often the world's foremost expert on what he himself believes.
Jesus Christ is of no denomination. The Catholic Church is no denomination, in our opinion.
Yeah, well, that and all the great music.
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