Posted on 05/02/2008 2:09:51 PM PDT by Augustinian monk
You’re trying to spoil our fun, Mad Dawg (LOL).
I’m trying to show my love for you and other Catholics by speaking the truth about our differences. That’s all.
But that's not the point. As those posted Scripture verses warns us, there is no assurance that we won't. We share in Christ if only we hold our first confidence firm to the end. If we don't we don't share in Christ. We must persevere to the end but there is no assurance that we will.
(I should have noted that I got the Avis reference before I played with “yore”.)
We have prayer meeting on Wednesday night. Gives us a good lift for the rest of the week. We also love each other and enjoy getting together. Prayer is the most important thing we can do for one another and for the world.
What was I THINKing?
About half my family is Catholic and of course I know them all up front and personal. Each and every one of them loves God surpassingly above all else and that is the one and only Great Commandment.
Truly, sometimes both sides will be "right" - sometimes both sides will be "wrong" - and sometimes one is "right" and one is "wrong." The point I was trying to make is that for one side to be "right" does not ipso facto mean that the other side is of necessity "wrong."
Or to put it another way, John could not see through doubting Thomas' eyes.
In my view, the tendency of man to see so many things as either/or obstructs his spiritual discernment. The Jews for instance see the Messiah as a man anointed by God but cannot accept that He is both man and God. Ditto for the Messiah coming as a Lamb and again as a Lion. Ditto for God is One and also the Trinity of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
***We are well aware of what he suffered on the cross for us, but he rose again and is at the right hand of God. Time to take Him off the cross and onto the Throne.***
I don’t recall seeing many Protestants depicting Jesus on the Throne. Is it possible that the magnitude and physical actions of His redemption of us repel the squeamish?
The Passion of the Christ movie was made by a Catholic from a Catholic mindset, you know. I’m not sure that an austere and stern form of the Reformed would be able to make this extensive a movie.
***But most of you DO claim that the Roman Catholic Church is the ONE true church. You can’t deny that, Mark. ***
Mary, I do deny it. I have never said it and I don’t believe it. I doubt that any Catholics here believe it - I’ve seen no evidence of it.
Now if you drop the “Roman”, then we do admit it and we do claim it.
***This isn’t prayer and showing off in front of anyone to get attention. This is standing in awe of Him, singing, raising our hands in surrender to His awesome presence. It has nothing to do with what you are talking about.***
I don’t know. I’ve seen mass hysteria and attention-getting both.
AMEN!
"Be not afraid; only believe." -- Mark 5:36
No matter where you go, you will always find someone who is ‘in the flesh.’ I’ve seen the same women at one church always getting into ‘holy laughter.’ I don’t always trust what folks do but I can’t be their judge.
Protestants don’t usually depict Jesus as anything but the risen Christ or the Lamb of God.
Wellll, just don’t do it again... blessings, Dawg.
I will always do my very best to stay in Christ and when I sin, I will repent, ask Him for His forgiveness, and He will give it to me. It’s not all that complicated.
FK: "The point of all this is that YES, Catholics and Protestants, in my view, are looking at the same core from different angles."
The actual question then becomes how much are each of us permitting something to distract us from that singular, uncluttered, God-glorifying view of His grace? Is calling Mary a "co-redeemer" something that diffuses the glory of God alone and sends it back to the creature? I believe it is.
I agree with you completely. I feel terrible about what has been done to Mary. The Bible says Mary was a Godly woman which means she would have been humble. Such a good woman would never have wanted herself to be raised up in the way she has been.
But primarily I worry that the RCC teaches its members to disregard the Holy Spirit as a personal means of God instructing, leading and comforting His family. Instead the RCC teaches the Holy Spirit speaks to the magisterium and the magisterium then speaks to the congregation through the priest and the sacraments and finally God is filtered down to the individual believer.
Yes, that is the full impression I have gotten also. The Catechism appears to confirm it:
79 The Father's self-communication made through his Word in the Holy Spirit, remains present and active in the Church: "God, who spoke in the past, continues to converse with the Spouse of his beloved Son. And the Holy Spirit, through whom the living voice of the Gospel rings out in the Church - and through her in the world - leads believers to the full truth, and makes the Word of Christ dwell in them in all its richness."
This appears to virtually mandate that the Holy Spirit must go through the men of the Church in order to reach the believer.
And again this gets back to the incorrect definition of justification by the RCC...
Yes, and I agree with your list and your conclusion. The emphasis is on the physical rather than the spiritual, and on people rather than on God.
79: The Father's self-communication made through his Word in the Holy Spirit, remains present and active in the Church: "God, who spoke in the past, continues to converse with the Spouse of his beloved Son. And the Holy Spirit, through whom the living voice of the Gospel rings out in the Church - and through her in the world - leads believers to the full truth, and makes the Word of Christ dwell in them in all its richness."
FK: This appears to virtually mandate that the Holy Spirit must go through the men of the Church in order to reach the believer.
Great find, Forest Keeper! Amazing, isn't it, all the rigmarole the RCC inserts between the Holy Spirit and believers?
29 Jesus replied, "You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God. 30 At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven. 31 But about the resurrection of the dead--have you not read what God said to you, 32 'I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'? He is not the God of the dead but of the living." 33 When the crowds heard this, they were astonished at his teaching.
-Matthew 22:29-33
Christians do.
At the resurrection, we shall all be alive. I’m not so sure about before that and I don’t believe in Purgatory so...
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