The Eucharist: The Body of Christ? ("Respectful Dialogue" thread)

Our Sunday Visitor (via Catholic Culture) ^ | 1/2005 | Marcellino D'Ambrosio, Ph.D.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you oh so very much for your encouragements, dear sister in Christ!

[OLD REGGIE]

Yes, he did. What does this have to do with the specific authority referenced in my post?

Do you mean the authority of binding and loosing? Consult your "infallible" source.

Catechism Of The Catholic Church
881 The Lord made Simon alone, whom he named Peter, the "rock" of his Church. He gave him the keys of his Church and instituted him shepherd of the whole flock. "The office of binding and loosing which was given to Peter was also assigned to the college of apostles united to its head." This pastoral office of Peter and the other apostles belongs to the Church's very foundation and is continued by the bishops under the primacy of the Pope.

[pgyanke]

Who did they teach you the Bride is???

The Church (Eph 5). Who do you say that She is?

[Petronski]

An assembly which claims the authority to send one of God’s children to hell or the second death has presumed authority it does not have.

Christ grants that authority in Matthew 18:18; no presumption necessary.

Meanwhile, Jean Cauvin claims God creates countless souls predestined for damnation.

Sick.

[pgyanke]

If you believe this you must be among those who "hate" anything Protestant.

Anyone who reads my posts will see the slander of yours. Good day.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

All Authority was given to Jesus

Not according to the RCC...(thanks to the-conscience for the excerpt)

From Vatican I:

[It] must be believed by all faithful Christians, namely that the Roman Pontiff hold a world-wide primacy... Wherefore we teach and declare that, by divine ordinance, the Roman Church possesses a pre-eminence of ordinary power over every other Church... Both clergy and faithful, of whatever rite and dignity, both singly and collectively, are bound to submit to this power ...we likewise teach and declare that he is the supreme judge of the faithful... And so they stray from the genuine path of truth who maintain that it is lawful to appeal from the judgments of the Roman pontiffs...So, then, if anyone says that the Roman Pontiff has...not the full and supreme power...let him be anathema.

Talk about a "tradition of a man."

[Quix]

Gads . . . what nonsense that paragraph was.

Ought to have a gag alert at the top of it.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Meant to ping you, too. Too many distractions today.

[pgyanke]

I don't know why people have to interject the words (Catholic)into Jesus Church.

The word "catholic" means "universal". In the age of denominationalism, a name was assigned.

[Petronski]

Think you hacked up that quotation quite enough?

It looks like there was an explosion down at the ellipsis factory.

[pgyanke]

Catechism Of The Catholic Church

881 The Lord made Simon alone, whom he named Peter, the "rock" of his Church. He gave him the keys of his Church and instituted him shepherd of the whole flock. "The office of binding and loosing which was given to Peter was also assigned to the college of apostles united to its head." This pastoral office of Peter and the other apostles belongs to the Church's very foundation and is continued by the bishops under the primacy of the Pope.

Um... your point?

[pgyanke]

Talk about a "tradition of a man."

Not if you understand the significance of the keys given to Peter... Again, I reference Isaiah 22:22 for what this represents in the Davidic Kingdom.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so much for the excerpt, dear sister in Christ!

It is amazing what power man can have over other men if he succeeds in convincing them that he has the power to damn them to hell or eternal torment.

[Quix]

All Authority was given to Jesus
Not according to the RCC...(thanks to the-conscience for the excerpt)

From Vatican I:
[It] must be believed by all faithful Christians, namely that the Roman Pontiff hold a world-wide primacy... Wherefore we teach and declare that, by divine ordinance, the Roman Church possesses a pre-eminence of ordinary power over every other Church... Both clergy and faithful, of whatever rite and dignity, both singly and collectively, are bound to submit to this power ...we likewise teach and declare that he is the supreme judge of the faithful... And so they stray from the genuine path of truth who maintain that it is lawful to appeal from the judgments of the Roman pontiffs...So, then, if anyone says that the Roman Pontiff has...not the full and supreme power...let him be anathema.

Talk about a “tradition of a man.”

= = ==

INDEED.

HORRIFIC.

More RUBBER HISTORY, RUBBER LOGIC, RUBBER DICTIONARY, RUBBER BIBLE stuff, obviously.

—On display yet again . . . the RC edifice and magicsterical’s compulsion to Stretch things so out of proportion a contortionist wouldn’t recognize the truth if it bit him.

[OLD REGGIE]

Ahhh... so you don't even know what the Magisterium is and yet you belittle it with childishness. The Magisterium is the teaching authority of the Church through the Apostolic College. It is not a "non-human" organization. You can read more here... if you really care.

Stop patronizing me. I don't doubt I know more about Catholic Teaching than you.

It is not a "non-human" organization.

Who makes up the Magisterium? Would you say it is limited to the Pope and Bishops?

[Alamo-Girl]

And the key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open. - Isaiah 22:22

Christ has those keys also:

And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth; I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name. - Revelation 3:7-8

To God be the glory, not man, never man.

[Manfred the Wonder Dawg]

“Side note: I don’t know why people have to interject the words (Catholic)into Jesus Church. It is His Church alone and needs no other description. It’s not Catholic, Baptist, Methodist, Protestant, etc... It’s our Lord Jesus’ church. “

Amen and amen.

[NoDRodee]

I don't know why people have to interject the words (Catholic)into Jesus Church.
The word “catholic” means “universal”. In the age of denominationalism, a name was assigned.

Thanks, I never knew that. So when you say I'm a part of the catholic Church you mean universal Church as in Christ Universal Church. Makes better sense.

[Petronski]

I don't doubt I know more about Catholic Teaching than you.

"It's not what you don't know that disturbs me, it's what you know that isn't true!" --Ronald Reagan

[OLD REGGIE]

You put all authority to Scripture alone... but then how can you have One Body of Christ when so many disagree on what is plainly written?

I have told you several times this is a misrepresentation of my belief. Why do you persist in either calling me a liar or lying yourself?

You have sold your will and intellect to the "Magisterium". I have chosen to think for myself. We have nothing further to discuss.