Posted on 04/27/2008 3:36:18 AM PDT by markomalley
Yes, it IS one of the tenets of faith that should be important to both Catholics and Protestants.
Well, I’m not the one who tossed them out of the Holy Bible. Those who did must have discerned something wrong with them.
I don’t laugh at the church. I weep over it.
Only if He grants it.
Suppose your child[ren] want to give you a birthday present. They say, "Papa, don't open your eyes until we say you can, promise?"
And you say,"I promise."
Then what if I said, "I didn't know children had the potential to restrain or constrain their parents."
I'm not making an entire case out of this. I'm just saying that what looks like constraint or restraint might be what the people involved think is more like children trusting their Father to keep His Word.
Have some Sleepytime tea, see a specialist in the morning.
Water is always added to the wine as the "elements" are prepared. The explanation is that in those days nobody drank wine straight. And then there are lovely (well, to me, anyway) symbolic interpretations superimposed on the mixing of water and wine. But the Sacrament is not invalidated by the addition of water to wine. If somehting else was added it would be at least irregular.
While I don't want to make TOO much of it, it might be good to remember that we are laughing at boys claiming to have committed dishonesty, breach of trust, and theft about things which they were pretending to their parents and priest to hold sacred. That seems a little sad to me.
It sounds as if God had a plan, Adam muffed it, God devised another plan, and that nearly was goofed up except for Noah. Sorry, but God doesn't make mistakes. God is perfect with a perfect plan running in the perfect way. Adam fell because that is the way God made it to happen according to His perfect will. God sentenced the entire human race to an eternity of hell and damnation for God is perfection and cannot tolerate any sin in the least little way. He doesn't throw out His hands to give us a hug and say, "That's OK." (This should give us pause when we tell that "little white lie".)
All your examples of people through time shows how God's grace is extended to show His perfect love for His creation. God didnt' "start over" with Noah. God saved Noah in the same way as He saves any of us, through His grace. Noah and the destruction of the world was just as much a part of God's perfect plan as anything else. Christ refers back to Noah as an example of the hardness of the people's hearts. Do you think that might have been a deliberate example?
Maybe to you it sounds that way.
Sorry, but God doesn't make mistakes.
No, He doesn't. Why do you project them onto His works?
How about the Roman Catholic church I attended where the common people only got the wafer while the professionals got the wafer and the wine. If the command is to eat and drink and your salvation depends on it, seems like some are getting the short end of the soteriological stick.
Not so. You've made a judgment about Catholicism without all the facts.
How do the millions of RCs know if the Lord grants the power of turning Christ into food to the “priest” at every mass? What happens to them if He hasn’t and they partake of the elements?
Backwards, at the least.
Do you have a better interpretation for the writings of which I refer? I’d be interested in hearing about my misinterpretations.
Is it your belief that when one eats the bread one is eating the actual flesh of Jesus and when one drinks the wine one is drinking the actual blood of Jesus?
MALFORMED?
Most plausibly traced back to the stimulus.
Man, oh, Manischewitz! Do you ever not understand Buddhists OR the Rosary!
DO you KNOW any Buddhists? Any real live, sho' 'nuff Zennies? Have you enjoyed the poetry of Basho, Issa, Ryokan? Nothing mechanical there.
And the Vajrayana types, the Tibetans, the ones who use prayer wheels: I only know a few but this is a vital bunch of people, given to much laughter. A lot of fun.
And as for the Rosary, all I can say is don't judge the outward appearance. (A little Old Testament lingo there ...).
A daily Rosary (except for a really good reason) is part of the Dominican deal, and all I can say about today's Rosary (sorrowful mysteries) is that when it was done I felt like I had run the 440 while being pelted with rocks (or petrai, I forget which ...)
I'm serious. (well, serious for me.) Please don't dismiss it too readily. SURE someone can 'endure' the rosary, and tell himself that "Well, I said it in a group, so I get an indulgence, so there." And that's just sad. But today, well, I don't know. It was rugged today, it felt as rugged as the cross on which our Lord was crucified, by the time I got to the last "mystery": Jesus is crucified and dies.
Before you just blip us all out, it's time for another Catholic joke (or the same old one again):
A lady is praying a Rosary before a statue of the Virgin. Suddenly our Lord appears, and says,"My child."We know, believe me, that Marian devotion, and especially, the Rosary can be perverted. We're the ones telling the joke, after all. But the fault here is not with the Rosary but with the woman.She mumbles on, "and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, ..."
Jesus says, a little louder,"My child, it is I who speak to you."
..."pray for us sinners now and at the hour ..."
Jesus says for the third time,"My child! Your piety and faithfulness have not gone unnoticed. I am here to give you my blessing. Hear me!"
The woman frowns, puts down her beads, and says,
"Be quiet! I'm talking to your mother."
A Catholic once said to me,"It takes a lot of manure to grow roses." I'll risk being manure if somewhere roses will grow.
If you remove the notion of predestination from the interpretation and instead focus on the free will of man, it becomes obvious: we continue to fail God and He continues to give us another chance. He is perfect and we are not.
We don’t know. We trust. We have the grace of faith.
Many thanks for your kind replies. Have faith in Christ - not men “standing in” for Him. Faith in Christ alone is sufficient, because it’s the object one’s faith that matters; not the faith itself.
Not at all, unless you’ve started calling yourself “the stimulus.”
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