Posted on 04/27/2008 3:36:18 AM PDT by markomalley
Just the thought moves me to tears.
You're so right. I can never hear or sing the building crescendo of the last sentence without choking up. I've tried many times. It's just not possible. It always seems to bring my thoughts to my dad and his voice as he sang that verse in church and I just dissolve. I must look ridiculous.
You repeat this like a mantra, but Christ never instructed us to make of Him a door, in remembrance or in any other way.
This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.
Why do you think this helps you? Christ is saying Holy Eucharist is not mere manna or bread, but His body. If you want the fullest story, go back in John a bit further:
Your fathers did eat manna in the desert: and are dead. This is the bread which cometh down from heaven: that if any man eat of it, he may not die. I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, for the life of the world. The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying: How can this man give us his flesh to eat? Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen, I say unto you: except you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you. --John 6:49-54
Seriously, my bookkeeper who went into one of the seminaries to become a priest told me it was the reason he quit, watching the priests drink and talk in private.
And altar boys taught me how to swear. I had never heard such language
Or a tall tale even.
Sheesh.
His body, given once to cover all the sins of His flock.
The RCC makes the cross of no effect when it insists Christ must reappear on the altar and suffer again, over and over and over, as if the first time hadn't really saved anyone.
As Calvin said (I know you're partial to his name) the mass profanes the work of Christ on the cross by saying it is incomplete and must be "perpetuated."
What a bodacious concept?... LOVE GRENADES.....
I love it.. YOU'RE A GENIOUS...
It does not. That's another false statement of Catholic faith, a strawman you find easy to bat away.
As Calvin said (I know you're partial to his name)
Not partial at all, It's just that I've seen so many examples of how his errors have addled your understanding of Scripture.
...the mass profanes the work of Christ on the cross by saying it is incomplete and must be "perpetuated."
And that's yet another example.
Let us suppose that Smith dislikes Protestantism, and wishes to discredit it.
Smith could, of course, simply begin arguing against it openly, showing where he believes it to be in error whether on a Biblical, historical, or philosophical basis. Many folks do this, with varying success.
Alternatively, Smith could be devious. He could set himself up as a protestant apologist, vigorously defending various positions of the reformation. Or, at least, seeming to do so ... when in fact, Smith is gradually following them to their logical conclusion in a sort of “reductio ad absurdum”. Before too long, Smith is upholding positions which are intolerably arrogant, self centered, and disingenuous ... yet he has impeccable protestant credentials. He’ll get nothing but “Amens” and “Huzzahs” and “Dear Brother” from the other protestants ... yet he has succeeded in making them look ridiculous.
It would be brilliant.
Just sayin’
Sure, they’re called “Jesuits”
Then what are these "spiritual bodies" we are to be given at the resurrection if "spiritual" just means "allegorical?"
The RCC makes the cross of no effect when it insists Christ must reappear on the altar and suffer again, over and over and over, as if the first time hadn't really saved anyone.
It is so sad to see such crusading vehemence in one so ignorant of "eternity" as a concept.
The only other place I see it so displayed is in moslems who insist Christians worship three gods.
Spiritual don't mean allegorical but allegorical can mean spiritual..
"Flesh is flesh and spirit is spirit" -Jesus..
God is Spirit and those that worship him MUST worship in spirit and truth.. The Spirit can speak metaphorically and metaphors can speak of the Spirit.. but the Spirit is not a metaphor and a metaphor can be reality expressed..
All Spirits are living persons and all metaphors are parts of speech but are NOT living persons..
"Flesh is flesh and spirit is spirit" -Jesus..
Apparently Jesus didn't share such a "flexible" sense of definition.
Thanks for the correction. Matt 6:13. I do believe this is the FIRST time I’ve agreed with you.
That phrase being in the Bible is secondary to my main point of avoiding rote recitation as prayer.
Yes, and even if it was directly on point, it's better to just point it out than play gotcha.
Jesus was always Spirit but became flesh for a season..
As Angels sometimes did that, appeared as flesh..
Angels are not flesh as Jesus was not flesh..
What appears permanent may not be.. We appear to be flesh also, yet we will live for eternity.. ALL OF US(some where)...
What is flesh and what is spirt/Spirit and what that means is occluded.. We are born on this planet absolutely sure we are merely flesh.. but some of us entertain the concept of "spirit".. as we learn more.. SOME DO NOT...
As a passing-by comment: I find it incomprehensible that RCs think having a “priest” ordained (or whatever it may be called within the RCC) gives him standing/power/whatever required for the spiritual magic known as transubstantiation. “Blessing” the bread and wine by the proper human empowers Christ to become food particles?
I didn’t know humans had the potential to restrain or constrain God.
No.
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