Posted on 02/10/2008 11:25:15 AM PST by Reaganesque
What do you know of Mormonism. How can you judge that this letter is not telling you truth. Does the Catholic Church tell you if you should judge a particular denomination as following the same God of Christianity?
Are you to overlook such things as multiple Gods, pre-existence, that Mormons look at you as a fallen Church?
These things are true and evident. Are you supposed to overlook them in an effort to avoid bigotry? Would you overlook the claims of the abortion rights groups so as not to appear bigoted?
Perhaps you should take some time to educate yourself regarding Mormonism and why it is that the Pope doesn't recognize them as a Christian Church.
From this link: http://www.apologeticsindex.org/m04.html
Delegates to the United Methodists’ national convention meeting in Cleveland on Wednesday said the LDS Church “does not fit within the bounds of the historic, apostolic tradition of Christian faith,” and that Mormons who convert to Methodism need to be re-baptized.
The convention approved a study document written by two Salt Lake City ministers, the Rev. Brian Hare-Diggs of First United Methodist Church and the Rev. Jennifer Hare-Diggs of Centenary United Methodist Church.
The nine-page paper, passed by the Methodist General Conference without floor discussion, spells out theological differences between The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and the United Methodist Church.
It says Mormonism has “some radically differing doctrine on such matters of belief as the nature and being of God; the nature, origin, and purpose of Jesus Christ; and the nature and way of salvation.”
The Methodists said Mormonism incorporates a “gendered, married and procreating god” with “a body of flesh and bones,” and has a theology that “more closely resembles a tri-theistic or possibly a polytheistic faith” than monotheism — worship of the one God.
The Methodists also objected that “the Jesus of Mormonism is not co-eternal with the Father and of one substance with the Father” and that Mormons add other scriptures to the Bible.
The Presbyterian Church (USA) and Southern Baptist Convention have issued similar assessments of Mormon doctrine.
Source: Methodists Say LDS Doctrine Not Christian, Salt Lake Tribune, May 11, 2000
The Roman Catholic Church declared Thursday that Mormon converts must be rebaptized, a setback to the Mormon Church’s effort to characterize itself as a Christian denomination.
The Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith declared that baptisms in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are “not the baptism that Christ instituted.”
The ruling was a departure from the Catholic Church’s usual practice of recognizing the baptisms of converts from most other churches. The Vatican held that the Mormon view of the nature of God was too different from Catholicism’s.
It was the second time in as many years that a major Christian church had ruled that Mormon converts must be rebaptized. Last year, the United Methodist Church, the nation’s second-largest Protestant denomination, took a similar stand.
Dan Wotherspoon, editor of Sunstone Magazine, an independent journal of Mormon life and issues published in Salt Lake City, said, “Clearly, the LDS church still has their work cut out for them in this effort to be known as a Christian church.”
In Salt Lake City, Latter-day Saints spokesmen sought to minimize the importance of the Catholic decision, or its possible effect on efforts by the church to present itself as a Christian church.
In Rome, the Vatican congregation indicated that radically different theological views of God and Jesus Christ necessitated the rebaptism of Mormon converts.
The congregation said that the Catholic Church could not accept Mormon belief that “God the father had a wife, the Celestial Mother, with whom he procreated Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.”
Source: Vatican Will Not Accept Mormon Baptisms, Los Angeles
Says the definition of the word. I’ve documented this to colorcountry. And can do it again if it’s REALLY necessary.
To deny that the LDS Church is not part of Christianity requires you to change the definition used in English.
>This email is bigotry.
Thank you. And I don’t think that the Catholic Church would support it one bit. It has far more class than the bigots of the religious right.
If this was so (recognition of Catholics as Christians), we wouldn't see so many Catholic homes hit up by LDS missionaries. The fact is (admittedly the last stat I saw on this was 1993), approximately 75% of LDS "converts" were from Christian backgrounds.
IF LDS truly believed that...
(a) ...Catholics/Protestants were Christians;
(b) ...Catholics/Protestants weren't "apostates";
(c) ...Catholics/Protestants were part of the Lord's Church (instead LDS believe IT is the ONE true Church)...
...then we would see a more "refocused" LDS missionary movement...(they would be primarly be targeting those minus Christian ties)...we wouldn't be seeing entire Mormon-published books on a solo topic like the Christian apostasy show up in the nation's largest retail stores...we wouldn't be having BYU profs like Kent Jackson publish harsh-sounding articles in Ensign Magazine in the past 25 years describing Christian churches as apostates...etc.
My claim was regarding Catholicism. I don't care what Mormon's believe. Their faith is a matter of concern for them, not me. I care about their actions. From what I have seen, most appear to live upright and charitable lives. Similarly, it is not for what Muslim's believe that I condemn them, it is for their actions.
I consider "Evangelicals" to be my fellow Christians. I believe that their rejection of Romney, and embrace of Huckabee have bought us eight years of socialist Hell on earth.
“To deny that the LDS Church is not part of Christianity requires you to change the definition used in English.”
“Christianity” is not fundamentally, originally, or primarily an English word.
The fact is that the Christian bodies representing the overwhelming number of Christians in the world do not accept the LDS organization as a Christian body.
And that includes the Catholic Church.
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“And I don’t think that the Catholic Church would support it one bit.”
The e-mail came from a website that has a whole series of articles on Mormonism from which the substance of the e-mail is drawn. Many of these articles have both the imprimatur and nihil obstat of a Catholic bishop.
This is generally a sign that the material contained within is consonant with authoritative Catholic teaching.
As well, the substance of these articles is consistent with the answer to the dubium to the Vatican cited above.
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Christianity is a monotheistic[1] religion centered on the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth as recounted in the New Testament.[2]
Pretty much eliminates LDS.
They are not monotheistic and are not centered on the teaching of Jesus but of Joe Smith.
Two questions:
1) Are you religious?
2) Are you part of the "right"?
1) Are you religious?
2) Are you part of the "right"?
Yes & yes. However, I am not a bigot. Are you?
I am religious and am on the right. But I am not a bigot. Doesn’t mean that there are not bigots in the religious right. There appear to be a lot of them, and confirmed by the press reports.
By tortdog's definition, we all are.
Would you vote for a committed Scientologist for president?
If so, then you might not be a bigot, but you would be an idiot?
First, what is your source for the definition of Christianity?
Second, the LDS Church teaches that the Godhead is one and we worship God the Father. We teach that we should worship no other gods then the God of Abraham. Sounds montheistic to me.
Have you ever heard the LDS worship or pray to any other gods?
Second, the LDS Church teaches that the Godhead is one and we worship God the Father. We teach that we should worship no other gods then the God of Abraham. Sounds montheistic to me.
Have you ever heard the LDS worship or pray to any other gods?
Everyone carries their own bigotries.
To deny that you are a bigot is to admit that you are a liar.
Why don’t you tell me how I define bigot?
Hint: consider consulting a dictionary before you answer.
Why don’t you tell me how I define bigot?
Hint: consider consulting a dictionary before you answer.
You are really stretching here. I don’t believe that I am either an idiot or a bigot. But I am certain that both idiots and bigots would reject the label. You and I would both accept the label “conservative.” Next time, maybe we can work together.
I provided you with a definition and you still depute it.
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