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Conclusion from Peru and Mexico
email from Randall Easter | 25 January 2008 | Randall Easter

Posted on 01/27/2008 7:56:14 PM PST by Manfred the Wonder Dawg

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To: papertyger

“the illegitimate children of the reformation: the cults?”

Please tell me of whom ye speak and where they may be found. Randall and I may actually go there together and witness what they do and of the Truth.


361 posted on 01/29/2008 2:39:32 PM PST by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg
It’s not “faith plus works” or “works alone” or “faith alone” it’s grace alone. Grace gives us the capacity to believe, fully, that is we have real faith and are capable or real, read grace enabled, works. Works are not a fruit or a result but an active part in the plan of salvation. Not works of the law, which is dead, but the works of grace, feeding the hungry, tending the ill, etc. what separated the sheep and goats? It wasn’t faith.
362 posted on 01/29/2008 2:40:08 PM PST by conservonator (spill czeck is knot my friend)
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To: conservonator

This thread started off with his last day on the trip - one he spent in Mexico City. Thats’ why it has much of its content filled with observations he made while there. Search on “Randall Easter” and you will find other reports from his trip wherein he reports on helping local pastors and thanking God for their firm faith in the Lord. Much violence against churches in parts of Latin America. We have it very easy in this country.


363 posted on 01/29/2008 2:41:35 PM PST by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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To: Quix
My hope, my faith and my desire rests in the Lord.
364 posted on 01/29/2008 2:41:58 PM PST by conservonator (spill czeck is knot my friend)
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To: Quix; Gamecock; Mad Dawg
i THOUGHT it was well understood that I didn’t support the RUBBER DICTIONARY of the RC edifice. Guess I learn something new every day. Soooooo the magicsterical that was sooo many times in history the world’s experts and chief administrators of physical sadistic torture . . . has now decreed? Where’s the encyclical? that ALL disagreements with the magicsterical’s positions on virtually anything to virtually any degree and particularly with any forcefulness above the burp of a gnat ARE to be construed as HORRIBLY SADISTIC, ABUSIVE and otherwise dispicable, beyond the pale of civil society and quite akin to slug burps and volcanic eruptions all over sight-seeing priests and nuns . . . as well as ash falling on icons of the archetypal EARTH MOTHER—in other words—terminally dreadful. NOTE TO PROTTYS: Please ammend and annotate all copies of your RC rubber dictionaries.

GC, now you know how he aquired his "list" from upthread. He arrogated them to himself as is so amply demonstrated when you consider this diatribe was elicited by my use of the term "sado-evangelist."

365 posted on 01/29/2008 2:44:39 PM PST by papertyger (changing words quickly metastasizes into changing facts -- Ann Coulter)
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To: conservonator

SOUNDS GOOD

to me.


366 posted on 01/29/2008 2:45:05 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: papertyger

A query . . .

Am I supposed to treat the following as an honest, true statement?

“He arrogated them to himself”

Doesn’t mesh with any reality I’m familiar with.


367 posted on 01/29/2008 2:47:16 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: conservonator

We agree! It’s grace alone that saves! I’ve told people that faith cannot save anyone (see this post:http://menofhonorministry.org/Discipleship/Salvation.htm ).

The object of one’s faith is what’s important. The Lord gives us faith to believe in Him and it’s His grace that saves us. None of our works contribute to being born again in Christ Jesus.

Oh, but then you contradict yourself by saying it’s grace plus works that save. By your use of the word “salvation” in that sentence, do you mean being converted or born again, justified in the sight of God? Or did you mean present-tense as in still saving?

If you think any works - tied to grace or faith or a goat in Iraq - help in the conversion from spiritually dead to spiritually alive means that you think Christ’s work was inadequate. That’s heresy, because He alone is sufficient.


368 posted on 01/29/2008 2:49:12 PM PST by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg
We have it very easy in this country.

AMEN! Last Sunday, at Mass, I was lamenting the rotten music and the folk guitar accompaniment, the various and asundry abuses of the GIRM (the official directions for the Mass) among other "miseries" I have to "endure". It dawned on me that I drove my healthy family in a climate controlled car to a comfortable church that has never been fire bombed, where no member has ever lost a relative because they were beheaded because they were a Christian, to a Mass said publicly...What a miserable whiner I am sometimes.

369 posted on 01/29/2008 2:49:27 PM PST by conservonator (spill czeck is knot my friend)
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg
What separated the goats from the sheep?
370 posted on 01/29/2008 2:51:53 PM PST by conservonator (spill czeck is knot my friend)
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To: Quix
Scripture is FULL OF LIFE.

Sorry dude, I have numerous copies of the Scripture at home. Never once has any of them consumed anything, moved, reproduced, or exhibited any one of the other indicators that demonstrate "life" by definition.

And I've had wonderful spiritual JESUS FOCUSED unity with quite a number of precious RC's.

"Unity" like "love," is not an event, it is a commitment.

371 posted on 01/29/2008 3:03:38 PM PST by papertyger (changing words quickly metastasizes into changing facts -- Ann Coulter)
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To: Quix

***We on this side of things do not, for a microsecond, believe that the 400 year-johnny-come-lately theological political power mongers in Rome founded THE Church that Jesus founded—at all. ***

That is your prerogative. Since we were around at Pentecost and all the heretics were successfully combated until the Reformers threw their hats into the ring, we have the perspective of the ages, and, since we were there from the beginning, we have the advantage of having been started by Him.

***MANY OTHER CLUSTERS OF PEOPLE WHO LOVE JESUS EARNESTLY AS FULLY AS THEY KNOW HOW . . . ***

That’s it. As fully as they know how. Turning your back on the Church of Jesus is a really strange way to try to love Jesus more fully.


372 posted on 01/29/2008 3:07:53 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: the_conscience

******Who’d be dopey enough to believe that?***

Ask MarkBsnr.***

Sure. Anyone who believes in the WCF, the Longer and Shorter Confessions, the Belgic Confession, and so on. They’re well represented here, I must say.


373 posted on 01/29/2008 3:10:53 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: papertyger

***What kind of guppy gobbler are you?***

I like my guppies a little on the larger side, with sharp teeth and a disposition to match.

***Don’t you know the Catholic Church came up with the Creeds so they wouldn’t have to let the illiterate peasants read the Bible ;o)***

Nasty ol’ Catlicks. If it wasn’t for the snake oil salesmen of the Reformation, we’d be concentrating more on God than on government sponsored creeds and confessions.


374 posted on 01/29/2008 3:14:08 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

***And Mark, I am just thrilled you continue to show such interest in the WCF which, IMO, is second only to the Bible and then Calvin’s Institutes as the finest reiteration of God’s will and word ever written.***

And you are most welcome to your opinions. That free will thing, you know.

And you know my opinion of Calvin and his doctrines; of the government of England (and Scotland as well) and their doctrines.

***The WCF doesn’t save anyone. Christ alone saves the fallen sinner.***

The WCF doesn’t say that. It says that Christ alone saves the fallen sinners that He has predestined before Creation to be saved.


375 posted on 01/29/2008 3:17:43 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: papertyger; Alex Murphy; alpha-8-25-02; blue-duncan; Dr. Eckleburg; ears_to_hear; Forest Keeper; ...

Often enough . . .

it seems like . . .

such threads are primarily an occasion to throw words across a net . . . rather across the UNGrand Canyon . . .

and to do so in a way that

dares

the other side to reply . . . thereby affording the sending side the UNGreat opportunity to

play dodge-ball with a different meaning of a common word than might have been understood or thought of to begin with.

Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo admirable, that.

I guess I would just say . . .

Scripure as well as THE LIVING WORD CHRIST JESUS have been full of Life to me, for me. Daily life and eternal life and saving my life in a list of ways quite literally.

I can concur that unity is a commitment

TO JESUS FIRST, LAST, MOST, ALWAYS, PERIOD.

BLOOD BROTHERS IN HIS BLOOD.

FOCUSED ON HIM AND HIS PRIORITIES ACCORDING TO THE GUIDANCE OF HIS WORD AND HIS SPIRIT moment by moment.

UNITY IN JESUS

is NOT

REMOTELY BOUND, NOR BOUNDARIED

by ANY human organization, structure, dogma . . . etc. If anything, such are virtually ALWAYS antithetical to UNITY IN CHRIST.

This notion that the unity that Christ prayed for will be achieved only when all the “rebels” “return” to the RC edifice is a crock of pork rinds from hell.

Jesus did not exhort the Jewish RELIGION leaders to shape up so the Disciples could carry on in the great

RELIGIOUS !!!TRADITIONS!!! in great seamless organizational UNITY.

Hogwash. That’s not unity—it’s idolatry of the flesh and of flesh driven structures, priorities and idols.


376 posted on 01/29/2008 3:17:51 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: wmfights

***John 3:18 He who believes in Him is not condemned...***

But the Calvinists warp that into:

Only some can believe if they are chosen and the rest are discarded like yesterday’s garbage.


377 posted on 01/29/2008 3:21:08 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr; All

NOT AT ALL!

The RC edifice was NOT around at Pentecost.

Revisionist history just does not wash with those truly exammining the UNRUBBERIZED HISTORICAL RECORD.

I realize that delusion/illusion/fantasy is comforting to those addicted to worshipping a world system, structure, organization, group of leaders, dogma etc.

But God has quite a different perspective from that of the RC magicsterical.

Otherwise, He would not have confirmed so many signs following of so many authentic healings and deliverances through Christ’s Blood and Spirit via so many other folks who’ve had nothing to do with the RC edifice and often nothing to do with any other group . . . but only received the Bible and began believing it and applying it.

I’ll take GOD’S CONFIRMATIONS over the magicsterical’s any day, week, month, year, decade, century, millenium.


378 posted on 01/29/2008 3:21:59 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

***Mark, did you really say that? The authority of the church gives one a belief in the Gospel?***

The quote is from St. Augustine, one of the heroes of the Reformers, if I understand correctly.

***You could not and would not believe in the Gospel by your own Spirit-led reading comprehension? By your own quickened mind and reborn heart? With your own two eyes and ears given by God alone? ***

Ah, but isn’t the Reformed view of the essence that only the saved can believe?

***We can conclude from this logic that if the church moved you away from the Gospel you would follow happily since the church has all authority.***

The Church has the authority and it also has the divine guidance of the Holy Spirit (psst, it’s Scriptural, doncha know). I don’t believe that the Holy Spirit would lead His Church away from Himself. That contradicts everything that we know and believe about Him.


379 posted on 01/29/2008 3:25:55 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: the_conscience

***When you hear them say, “there is no bible without the Romanist Church”,***

I challenge you to present a single post that says this. One, just one. Go ahead, prove our day.


380 posted on 01/29/2008 3:27:04 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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