Posted on 01/27/2008 7:56:14 PM PST by Manfred the Wonder Dawg
Correct, but then again getting to heaven isn't the object of our hope. Our hope resides in continuing to remain in fellowship with Him, performing as He wills for us.
If we slip out of fellowship, we just leave some rewards which had been created for us in eternity past, on the shelf, so to speak, as an eternal memorial of our foolishness for not remaining in fellowship with Him. We don't get ahead, instead we make a foolish spectacle of ourselves by failing to be in the right place at the right time to perform His Will.
I think you’re right. The New York State GOP was pushing McCain and I wrote back and told them I would NEVER vote for him and why were they pushing him on us? I got an answer and they said he was a man of integrity, etc. I almost gagged. The party will never get ONE penny from me. I’m afraid we’re going to lose this election.
I’m not sure what you mean here.
No, Q, not in principle, only in how it is practiced by some and the consequences thereof.
Sure the NWO puppet masters’ greed is off the scale as is their power mongering through such funds
You got it.
What? So you are going to define "plan" in human terms so you can say that it doesn't apply to God? What is your evidence that says that God CANNOT plan because it takes time to plan? How do you know God cannot plan outside of time? And, besides all the scripture you have been showed clearly evidencing that God has a plan and purpose for all of us that He intends to execute, what is your alternative position? Does history unfold randomly? If God does not have a plan then He cannot be in control.
FK: ***God does not have “afterthoughts”. He is omnipotent and omniscient.***
Very true, but how would you reconcile the Reformed theology of all men being frogmarched when God spent the entire OT and most of the New failing to get the Jews to accept the Messiah?
Well, there is no need to reconcile because God did not fail. However, it does not surprise me that you bring it up since God is portrayed as a colossal failure in many endeavors in Apostolic thought. I have never understood that view, but I suppose that it probably relates to God's need for the Church to bail Him out when He gets into trouble. :)
As the Bible tells us, God will have mercy on whom He will have mercy. Not one person more or one person less, according to whom He had chosen from before the foundations.
Needless to say the Serbian Holocaust remains a sad chapter in the history of WWII, a chapter quickly swept under the rug, not finding its way into any history books that I ever read, but uncovered and written unforgettably in many of the books published by evangelicals -- the same evangelicals who were appalled by Clinton and NATO's 1996 war against the Serbs, and our continual support of the KLA terror state, along with other Muslim causes.
Why this goes on is a mystery to all of us except that we are inviting within our midst the seeds of our own destruction. The politically-correct and the religiously-correct crowd, which includes the Communists and Socialists and Democrats and RINO Republicans have all laid the ground work and opened the door for a Muslim infiltration at all levels of society in such a way that people are seemingly blind to it going on around them.
Our failure to support the Serbs against the Muslim terrorist KLA, to support Israel against the Palestinian Muslims, to call a Muslim terrorist a Muslim terrorist, to allow Muslim oil money to buy our foreign and domestic policies is going to cost us dearly -- unfortunately.
Did the Vatican State know what was going on and if so what did they do to stop it? Is this another example of what we discussed earlier where organizations become "organisms of sorts" and protection of the organization becomes more important than the mission.
I assume that all of us find these atrocities sickening.
K:No, Q, not in principle, only in how it is practiced by some and the consequences thereof.
Yet no one has been able to produce a better more equitable economic system.
Communism, tried and failed miserably. In that system they discovered that they could grow all the wheat they needed on their big collectives, but when it came time to get it to the market most rotted in the fields. They had eliminated the evil businessman who makes a profit by providing a service, such as getting trucks to ship things. They also discovered that dairy production dropped dramatically. Why, because the farmer is not going to get up at 4:00 am to milk the states cow, but he will if it is his cow and he gets to keep the profit from his labors.
Fascism, the fusion of the state with private business interests. All innovation disappears and large business/govt. interests control profit and product availability with law and bureaucracy.
Socialism, the Mayflower Compact is the best example of what a miserable failure that system is. The Pilgrims were going to share everything and almost starved to death their first year in America. They changed plans and decided that everyone keep the profit from what they produced and the second year they had such an abundance they had a harvest feast with the Indians.
Capitalism, left uncontrolled historically has produced terrible results but with antitrust controls and safety controls for workers has produced the most effective and productive means of producing goods and services of any economic system. It also offers the greatest opportunity for an individual to achieve great success in life.
Thanks for the ping.
Certainly a plausible hypothesis, seemingly.
Greed in the human heart from the pollution of Creation by satan’s pride, rebellion . . . is the root problem.
There’s lots of comments about buyers and sellers and commerce in Scripture. It is the attitude of the heart that’s always the problem, not the system, per se.
Until Christ returns, it will continue as a problem.
Certainly the NWO Oligarchy has enriched itself beyond the wildest fantasies of anyone else in history. And they are using the wealth to engineer the Biblical END TIMES of enslaving the whole world to satan’s leadership as Scripture outlined. No big surprises there.
Thankfully,
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HAIL THE RETURN OF THE KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS!
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documents how the Carter Administration began dismantling the safeguards set in place after the Great Depression. How Klintoon further dismantled them etc.
The NWO Oligarchy has been having a field day.
I read one report that claimed that the NWO folks had enough trillions set aside . . . that they planned to pay of everyone’s debts . . . and give everyone $10,000 or so beyond that . . . one presumes for a price . . . choosing the world government? worshipping satan and being chipped???
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documents how the Carter Administration began dismantling the safeguards set in place after the Great Depression. How Klintoon further dismantled them etc.
The NWO Oligarchy has been having a field day.
Does dying for a cause prove it is true and right?
Does dying for a cause prove it is true and right?
Alright,forget about relaxing!
5 little kids is a fine example of a large Catholic family.
Glory be to God!
Some people still long for a return to those good old monopolistic days when there was only one store in town, one doctor in town, one church in town ... and everyone in town had to buy what they were selling at the price that they charged or do without.
Then came the Reformation and competition and lower prices and higher quality and increased quantities of the necessities of life -- like the scriptures in one's own language ... .... and the rest is history .... and those old monopolists are still griping.
Thanks UC, I hadn't really put that together before. The natural progression then proceeded from State mandated religion to freedom of religion and separation of church and state.
"Blame America First" does not play on this forum - or among conservatives at large - or among Republicans.
The Biblical truth behind capitalism resides in the acknowledgment that God gives men their place on earth, numbers their days, establishes their boundaries, and that each man is thus required to glorify God in thought, word and deed in this life.
If the reason for our very existence is to glorify God on earth, then it follows that our work is the fruit of the spirit, and thus that work is good and God-given.
Before the Reformation, men were told their lives on earth were simply preface to their heavenly existence, and so it didn't matter that despots ruled over them. This myopia is what accounts for the lethargy found in places even today like Catholic Central and South America, etc.
But as the Bible was actually read by the masses during the Reformation, men understood that God had ordained them to be fruitful now, and thus they had a right and responsibility on this earth today, according to God's will for them, which included a liberty of life and conscience.
I really like Loraine (a guy) Boettner's book, "The Reformed Doctrine of Predestination," especially the last chapter...
As Uncle Chip pointed out, the correct understanding of separation between church and state (while always maintaining the state's responsibility to protect the rights of the church) was a gradual process coming to fruition in the reformed churches...
And in regard to the relationship which existed between the Church and the State, the Lutherans were content to allow the local princes great influence in the Church or even to allow them to determine the religion within their bounds — a tendency leading toward the establishment of a State Church — while the Reformed soon came to demand complete separation between Church and State." "At the time of the Reformation the Lutheran Church did not make such a complete break with the Catholic Church as did the Reformed. In fact some Lutherans point out with pride that Lutheranism was a "moderate Reformation." While all protestants appealed to the Bible as a final authority, the tendency in Lutheranism was to keep as much of the old system as did not have to be thrown out, while the tendency in the Reformed Church was to throw out all that did not have to be kept.
Even those who worked against the Reformation knew the inherent power and truth of its goal -- individual freedom according to the words and will of God...
"The testimony of Emilio Castelar, the famous Spanish statesman, orator and scholar, is interesting and valuable. Castelar had been professor of Philosophy in the University of Madrid before he entered politics, and he was made president of the republic which was set up by the Liberals in 1873. As a Roman Catholic he hated Calvin and Calvinism. Says he: "It was necessary for the republican movement that there should come a morality more austere than Luther's, the morality of Calvin, and a Church more democratic than the German, the Church of Geneva. The Anglo-Saxon democracy has for its lineage a book of a primitive society — the Bible. It is the product of a severe theology learned by the few Christian fugitives in the gloomy cities of Holland and Switzerland, where the morose shade of Calvin still wanders . . . And it remains serenely in its grandeur, forming the most dignified, most moral and most enlightened portion of the human race."
The Reformation underscored the validity of the "trickle-down theory of economics." As Christ told us, "For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required" (Luke 12:48). All philanthropy is founded on sharing the bounty of God's world by producing more of it through the God-given mandate to help our fellow man become likewise productive. Thus the truest basis for a sound and God-glorifying capitalism is to abide by Paul's instructions...
"And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him." -- Colossians 3:17
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