Posted on 01/27/2008 7:56:14 PM PST by Manfred the Wonder Dawg
***But we don’t become Christ. The weight and shield of Christ’s righteousness saves us, and not our own. ***
That is correct. We do not become an actual Christ - that is ridiculous. We do believe that the priest, acting in Sacramental fashion, acts as the corporal hands, directed by Christ, in administering the Sacraments.
The priest, beseeching the Holy Spirit to bless us in Baptism; the priest beseeching that Jesus proceeds with the Sacrament of the Eucharist. It really is God alone; we just do as He has directed us.
***”These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.”—1 John 5:13.***
That ye may know.
That ye may believe.
That is not 100% fully guaranteed assurance.
***We do it BECAUSE we’re saved, not to achieve it. God wants us to do good works because He planned them for us from the beginning.***
What happens if you don’t do good works? What happens to your bad works? Does it really matter to the Reformed?
***RC’s traditionally have been more Democrat than Republican. I believe they began voting with the conservatives because of social issues.***
In the 1800s, Catholic immigrants were militantly opposed by Protestant Republicans, so therefore they went Democratic. The social issues gradually forced Catholics to the right.
I am appalled at the way that Republican politics has gone. And shoveled so much of the vote to McCain.
***What happens if you don’t do good works? What happens to your bad works? Does it really matter to the Reformed?***
If you have no desire to do good works, I would question your faith. God gives us the desire to do good works, the ability to do good works, and the command to do good works. Not for salvation, but in thanksgiving.
Your bad works, I assume, are sins. They are already forgiven by Jesus Christ.
Yes, it really matters to the Reformed.
Navy Seals get a break too. :) Any deployment is classified. Seals, like the rest, undergo continuous training, standowns if something goes wrong, and learning new techniques, acquiring new equipment, etc. It's not Hollywood. No one is on the mission 24/7/365, except when you are on the mission. There are no Mondays or Saturdays or eight hour-work days.
He is one of the finest young men I've ever had the pleasure to know. He graduated from college, had a good job the war started and he signed up as an enlisted man
Sort of like Pat Tillman. Great sacrifice. Let us pray that he makes it through this conflict safe and sound. But we need to remember how our establishment betrayed Pat Tillman's patritoism and used his untimely and unjust death at the hands of his own troops as a propaganda tool.
This also reminds me of the pathetic and shameful circus that was made with Private Jessia Lynch and the lies that were sent out into the public about the heroism she later denied.
Has anyone been prosecuted for such lies? In the case of Specialist Tillman, some heads rolled because of the high profile he had, but in Jessica's case, she was simply used and then discarded when she told the truth.
Hopefully, this young man will serve his country without a glitch. But serving the country is independent of politics; supporting the country's foreign policy conducted by fallible men and women is not a prerequisite for serving the country. Nor do fallible men and women have a monopoliy on patriotism. (besides, most of them never served).
Your ingorance is most regrettable. France fell in half the time that it took the Kingdom of Yugoslavia, with no one to help, attacked by Germans, Moussolin's fascists, Hungairan nazi collaborators, Bulgarian nazi collaborators, and Albanian nazi collaborators, to be occupied. Our great firends of the last 2 decades, Croatians (who were Yugoslav citizens) welcomed the Wehrmach troups with flowers and cried "Danke Deutschland!" (Thank you Germany!).
The Yugoslav Royal Army reatreated into the woords and began guarrilla-style resistence immediately and three months after the occupation began transmitting first radio messages form the liberated territories of the occupied homeland. The only beacon of free territory in Europe!
The resistence movemnt of WWII Yugoslavia is a textbook example of resiliency. It tied numerous German divisions and was instrumental in causing Hitler to fatefully delay his invasion of the Soviet Union. Unlike the French, Dutch , Norwegian and other resistence movements, who limited thier operations to sabotage, the Germans mounted no less then seven major offensives aimed at erradicting the resistence. Easy pickings, right.
The Orthodox do not find pleasure or ustice in sin, and war is sin, the result of sin and perpetuated by sin. The west keeps trying the pagan and OT method of eye-for-an-eye, even though the God they call their own tells them otherwise. You don't erradicate evil by returning evil.
When cornered, the EO will resist because there is nothing else left to do. That doesn't mean they have to arrogate themselves the crown of justice. It's a necessary evil brought on by evil.
I really feel for you.
Thank you Marysecrrtary. I appreciate your honesty.
Yeah, I do. How about an economic system that actually protects national interests?
Your ignronce is regrettable too. Show me where does the EO Church question the existence of Satan? In fact, show me where I questioned the existence of Satan! And I will show you that the whole thing just went right oevr your head.
You find 'just war' in that quote? He is saying don't let others talk nonsense, but say something in return.
YThat's profound.
Oooo, ooo, ooo, I got one. I got one. I got one.
Are you ready for this? K already has a plan on a micro scale that is easily implimented nationally. She sends me to work every day; she creates the family budget; she gives me the deposit slip on paydays to deposit my paycheck; she controls the checkbook and spending; she pays the bills before they are due; puts the balance in savings and I get an allowance. I get to make the big decisions like foreign policy and when to mow the lawn.
KOSTA: Yeah, I do. How about an economic system that actually protects national interests?
Since you've just dismissed capitalism, what "economic system actually protects national interests?"
Kindly name it.
The resistance movement must have been from the Augustinian [just-war] wing of the EO, right????
You mean like National Socialism -- Bolshevik or NAZI style?
Kosta: “Your igorance is most regrettable.”
Not regrettable ignorance, Kosta, contemptible. Sadly it is emblematic of the mindset which gave birth to the present disastrous foreign policy of Washington, started by Bush 41, advanced by the execrable Clinton and brought to its inevitable nadir by Bush 43. By the way, UC, one of my ancestors died on the walls of Constantinople at the side of Constantine XI in battle with the Eastern Barbarian Turks on May 29, 1453. He died for civilization and Christianity, UC. Generations of Eastern Christians have fought and died for that at the hands of the Mohammedans. What about you Protestants? How many centuries have you been suffering for Christianity and Christian civilization at the hands of Islam? You think that Western Protestantism has the right to scorn the sacrifice of the Eastern Romans? My God, no wonder we're in the state we're in!
UC, the Greek partisan resistance on Crete delayed Operation Barbarossa. Do you understand what that delay meant? Did they teach you about what went on in the Balkans during WWII? Did they teach you about October 28, 1940? Do you know what Ioannis Metaxas told Mussolini that day and what meaning that had for the ultimate triumph of the Allies in WWII? Do you know what Churchill had to say about the Greek and the Serbian partisans? Do you know what allies they were to the United States? Or are you just a Mohammedan supporting neo con with no understanding of history or culture beyond the Eastern seabord who thinks its just peachy that America picks up the tab for KLA terrorism against our Christian allies because that man Bush has been advised by his Saudi business partners that Islam is the Religion of Peace and its good for business?
***If you have no desire to do good works, I would question your faith. God gives us the desire to do good works, the ability to do good works, and the command to do good works.***
Intriguing. Hypothetically, what happens to the Reformed if they resist this desire?
***Your bad works, I assume, are sins. They are already forgiven by Jesus Christ.***
So therefore, there would be no reason to avoid committing future sins, since they are already forgiven. Therefore Martin Luther’s exhortation that future sinfulness is of no importance still holds?
***UC, the Greek partisan resistance on Crete delayed Operation Barbarossa. Do you understand what that delay meant? Did they teach you about what went on in the Balkans during WWII? Did they teach you about October 28, 1940? Do you know what Ioannis Metaxas told Mussolini that day and what meaning that had for the ultimate triumph of the Allies in WWII? Do you know what Churchill had to say about the Greek and the Serbian partisans? Do you know what allies they were to the United States? Or are you just a Mohammedan supporting neo con with no understanding of history or culture beyond the Eastern seabord who thinks its just peachy that America picks up the tab for KLA terrorism against our Christian allies because that man Bush has been advised by his Saudi business partners that Islam is the Religion of Peace and its good for business?***
Unfortunately, many here are think that CNN is the beginning and finish of world news. Even the BBC is awful compared to its glory years in the 50s and 60s. We must educate rather than chastise because these people have not had the information, they have not had the education, they do not understand because everything that they have been taught has short sheeted their world view.
If you do not get CBC and CTV, where is your extra-American view that lends some sort of alternative to the world view? If you do not get ITV or some English language European or even Australian channel, where is the world wide perspective?
I think of it as duty to provide these otherwise goodly folks with the information and the perspective to use it. It is not much different with providing them with the Good News, you know. They are veritable Visigoths, understanding little except destruction, with no regard as to consequences.
American history as taught in schools is dismal at best. It is almost as if it is designed to make students uninterested and therefore not understand or remember any of it. Do not shrink, Kolo. It is our duty.
“...understanding little except destruction, with no regard as to consequences.”
Sadly, that bears repeating.
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