Posted on 10/26/2007 9:00:59 PM PDT by topcat54
Not following that comment.
Kind of like finding the Dead Sea Scrolls that authenticated and explained some of the Old Testament or moving on from milk to strong meat.
Actually, it’s more like Joseph Smith’s golden tablets. There is no record of any of this nonsense for 1830 years of prior church history.
GOOD POINT.
But are you expecting
Contrarian folks hereon to
ACTUALLY BELIEVE an UNrubberized BIBLE??? EVEN as much as Scholfield may have?
I know we all have our needful hopeful fantasies but be careful!
/s
. . . nobody . . .
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HOGWASH
Of course the "no end in sight" only applies to some dispensationalists. The date setters like Hal Lindsey and Chuck Smith had the details all worked out, based on the 1948 start date, Israel being the "fig tree", and the "literal" meaning of "this generation". Jesus would return in 1988. We all know that now.
Assuming your 1948 date is biblically significant (questionable), and with the great majority of Jews living in Israel presently being in unbelief regarding Jesus the Messiah, how long can they continue in this state? Does the Bible require that Jesus return within a certain period of time, or can this all go on for generation after generation (assuming Israel is not overrun by Arabs and destroyed)?
Has anyone noticed that this year, 2007, was the revised year for Jesus’ return, based on the new dispensational date of 1967, the Israeli-Arab War?
Does anyone know what the date setters in dispensationalism are using as the new and improved date for Jesus’ return based on 1948/1967 scenario? Or have they finally given up trying to take the fig tree image and “this generation” in Matthew 24 literally? Or are they quietly suggesting that maybe the significance of secular Israel being politically organized in 1948 was overblown by some of their comrades?
“Actually, it’s more like Joseph Smith’s golden tablets.”
Now, now, now. I wouldn’t go there if I were you!
Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints speak of themselves as a “covenant people,” both collectively and individually. Entering into righteous and authorized covenants with God is one of the most important aspects of their lives. They see their covenants as modern counterparts of covenant making in biblical times. (See Covenants in Biblical Times)
Levity is not allowed in the Religion section of FR.
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BY EDICT OF
The Most High, Lofty, Illuminated, 100% Always 100% Accurate, 100% Convinced, 100% Proud-of-it [whatever their position on the “it” on the table may be], All Honored Members of The Order of The Prissy Tidy Boxed Constricted Theology; as well as The High and Sacred Order of The Rubber Bibled, Rubber History Booked, Rubber Dictionaried Theologians and Pontificators; etc. etc. and etc.
otherwise known simply as
THE CONTRARIAN WINDBAGS,
OR
THE CALVINIST MAGICSTERICALS ON CAFFINE
OR
occasionally in some dark quarters as
CONTROL FREQUES ANONYMOUS
. . . there are other shorter labels . . . but . . . at some point, one must be kind.
tee hee.
OH, right. no humor harumph.
“Does anyone know what the date setters in dispensationalism are using as the new and improved date for Jesus’ return based on 1948/1967 scenario?”
Usually it is the day before April 15th or whatever date the returns are due owing to holidays or weekends.
Oh but you forgot a question:
"Where is the promise of his coming, for since the fathers fell asleep [in 70 AD], all things continue as they were from the beginning of the new testament"?
Thank you for another sign of the last days -- the scoffers of II Peter 3.
Ever hear of the Torah Jews? They don't believe in Zionism and are waiting patiently on the Lord.
I realize it is hard to comprehend sometimes without The Notes, but that what does that have to do with my question about Israel?
Of course we believe that Christ will return. We just do not believe the complex dispensationalism scenario of future events.
But I take it also you do not have an answer to my question about modern Israel and the timing of Jesus’ return, one that seemed so obvious just 40 years ago to most dispensationalists.
Plus they are leaving Israel in droves, some promised land
Read the prophets
They are apparently like the preterists who seem to have never heard of Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Amos, Hosea, Zechariah, and the rest of the prophets of the God of Israel --
Well they read the word of God constantly, maybe that’s their problem. Secular Israel has Madonna
That’s about what I expected.
"The Jehovah's Witnesses, for example, thought the world was sure to end in 1914. When it didn't happen, they merely moved the date up a few years.” (Chuck Smith, Dateline Earth: Countdown to Eternity, p. 26)
"We're the generation that saw the fig tree bud forth, as Israel became a nation again in 1948. As a rule, a generation in the Bible lasts 40 years. ... Forty years after 1948 would bring us to 1988." (Chuck Smith, Future Survival)
"I'm convinced that the Lord is coming for His Church before the end of 1981." (Chuck Smith, Future Survival)
I personally don't believe this either, nor do most of the bible believers that I know.
Maybe they got the memo that if they are not part of "gentile Christianity" and get raptured secretly away, then there's a 66.6% probability they won't survive another 7 years if they hang around.
"Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill."
"These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me."
Memo to the dispies, tt's all about Jesus, not Israel.
Sure would have fooled me??? I thought that all happened for you in 70 AD, when "the sign of the Son of man appeared in heaven" for you guys [Mt 24:29]. Preterists do believe that that took place in 70 AD don't they??
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