Answering the "Replacement Theology" Critics (Part 1)

American Vision ^ | 10/7/2005 | Gary DeMar

[1000 silverlings]

The bible clearly teaches otherwise and I'm sure I speak for all of us that we believe the bible. Thanks

Adam clearly means

Adam = "the red earth" Adam, the first man, the parent of the whole human family

And Acts 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

Malachi 2:10

Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us?

[Quix]

I know a whole group of Lutheran missionaries who were mercifully liberated and went the other direction.

And God multiplied their effectiveness accordingly.

Yet again, a Replacementarian’s ASSUMPTIONS

bite the dust as

WRONG.

[Quix]

PRAISE GOD FOR JimRob’s wisdom on this matter.

[Religion Moderator]

Very true.

All of you know what to look for. If they make another run at the forum it'll probably be on one of these types of threads, so please keep the red flags in mind and if something doesn't smell right let me know by Freepmail.

[1000 silverlings]

Absolutely. From time to time we run into that “serpent seed” theology and we roundly condemn it and seek to teach otherwise. thanks

[Quix]

There’s not a high degree of motivation

when Replacementarians

mangle all out of whack the most basic, clear, straightforward prophetic Scriptures in the book.

or ignor them

or deny them.

or rationalize them in a slippery fashion.

[1000 silverlings]

Well you could always prove to us you read the bible, but I really don’t care either, as I already know the answer

[Lee N. Field]

If they make another run at the forum it'll probably be on one of these types of threads, so please keep the red flags in mind and if something doesn't smell right let me know by Freepmail.

Ping! will do.

[Uri’el-2012]

Yep, the white supremacists tend to run in "packs" and seek legitimacy by arguing theology - specifically full preterism - on religion forums.

Do I hear you correctly, that Full Preterism is a doorway to the Dark Side ?

[Quix]

Then feel free to post the verse. I haven’t tracked it down yet.

I have lots of verses virtually memorized but without refs.

I’m sure no one else does that. /s

[Religion Moderator]

It is clothing in which wolves sometimes hide.

[1000 silverlings]

I want to see you back up a statement you made, that’s all, the rest of us do it consistently

[Lord_Calvinus]

Note in the below article these themes:

The CHURCH began in Eden.
The SACRAMENTS were present in Eden.
The GRACE, for which the covenant thereof between the Father and the Son before time, was seen by man for the first time.
The GOSPEL of that grace was first preached to man.

You need to read again the account of Genesis and drop your preconceived notions of artifical dispensations and dispensations that, while they might exist, having nothing to do with the theology of Dispensationalism and don’t help your case anyway.

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The Synagogue of Christ by Steve Schlissel
Messianic Jewish pastor
Messiah’s Congregation, Brooklyn, New York.

The church wasn’t born at Pentecost. It was Bar Mitzvah’d. No small matter, this. The church had a long, albeit dotted, history by the time the Spirit in Christ’s fullness fell, and a glorious, albeit difficult, future. By Pentecost, the church, because of its history, its providentially-ordained organization and the Holy Spirit’s promised guidance, was well-prepared to fulfill its function in the world.

The Belgic Confession, in Article XXVII, states, “We believe and profess one catholic or universal Church...This Church has been from the beginning of the world, and will be to the end thereof...” It has not, however, always had the same form. In the Garden of Eden God identified and separated the church (then consisting of two) using the essential elements, Word and Sacrament, Promise and Token, which would be present throughout the church’s history, in some form or another. Our first parents were created to understand themselves and all things else in terms of a word. They had received the defining Word of God; they had heard the anti-word of the serpent. Choosing the devil’s definitions, they had broken covenant with their Creator and entered into league with the destroyer, becoming co-pretenders with him to the throne.

God was not about to forsake His purposes, or to quickly formulate a “Plan B.” He graciously and forcefully took back Adam and Eve-He redeemed them-by placing hostility between them and their new master (the Antithesis), by promising in their hearing the incarnation of the conquering, suffering Messiah (the Protevangelium, first proclamation of the Gospel), and by clothing them with God-provided coverings (the “Sacrament”), indicating in the clearest terms that their fig leaves (their instinctive effort at self-atonement/covering) were wholly inadequate and unacceptable. It is God who saves. Calvinism did not originate in Geneva; it is found in Eden. God’s people, the covenant line, would henceforth be the people redeemed by Him to live, once again, in terms of His Word.

[Quix]

Matthew 24:21 (The Message)
The Message (MSG)
Copyright © 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 2000, 2001, 2002 by Eugene H. Peterson

21-22”This is going to be trouble on a scale beyond what the world has ever seen, or will see again. If these days of trouble were left to run their course, nobody would make it. But on account of God’s chosen people, the trouble will be cut short.

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Matthew 24:21 (Amplified Bible)
Amplified Bible (AMP)
Copyright © 1954, 1958, 1962, 1964, 1965, 1987 by The Lockman Foundation

21For then there will be great tribulation (affliction, distress, and oppression) such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now—no, and never will be [again].(A)

Cross references:

Matthew 24:21 : Dan 12:1; Joel 2:2

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Matthew 24:21 (New Living Translation)
New Living Translation (NLT)
Holy Bible. New Living Translation copyright © 1996, 2004 by Tyndale Charitable Trust. Used by permission of Tyndale House Publishers.

21 For there will be greater anguish than at any time since the world began. And it will never be so great again.

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Matthew 24:21 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV)
Public Domain

21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

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Matthew 24:21 (American Standard Version)
American Standard Version (ASV)
Copyright © 1901 Public Domain

21 for then shall be great tribulation, such as hath not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, nor ever shall be.

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Matthew 24:21 (Darby Translation)
Darby Translation (DARBY)
Public Domain

21for then shall there be great tribulation, such as has not been from [the] beginning of [the] world until now, nor ever shall be;

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Matthew 24:21 (Today’s New International Version)
Today’s New International Version (TNIV)
© Copyright 2001, 2005 by International Bible Society

21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.

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Matthew 24:21 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV)
Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society

21For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.

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AS with so many basic END TIMES prophetic Scriptures, this single verse blows the Replacementarian AD70 perspective totally out of the water.

[Lee N. Field]

Do I hear you correctly, that Full Preterism is a doorway to the Dark Side ?

A red flag. An indicator, part of a complex of beliefs. I don't know enough about Christian Identity to guess why hyper peterism would be part of their belief system.

[1000 silverlings]

No, that's the original scripture FTD posted. We've acknowledged that and the question I asked came after. Try again

To: 1000 silverlings; Uncle Chip You mean like the prophecy that Christ predicted regarding the fall of Jerusalem in Matthew? 21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. (Matthew 24:21) Now, where else in scripture does Christ ever use 'hyperbolic' language as you claim this to be? 300 posted on 11/07/2007 1:09:24 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln) [ Post Reply | Private

[1000 silverlings]

If this were Geometry, you would have proved the given

[Quix]

No, that’s the original scripture FTD posted. We’ve acknowledged that and the question I asked came after. Try again

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AS I noted above . . .

But, please, show me the post where you acknowledged anything of the truth of Scripture in this department!

PLEASE!

[Quix]

So,

y’all have admitted somewhere that Mat 24:21

blows your AD70 fantasies out of the water?

I sure missed it.

[Quix]

BTW,

I’ve forgotten in all the convoluted egg salad mangled postulations . . .

Do y’all beliee there will even BE A GREAT TRIBULATION?

Why do I have it in my head that you think that also happened in AD70?

If not then, when? Even a sequence would be interesting.