Posted on 10/26/2007 9:00:59 PM PDT by topcat54
***Maybe it’s my fever....***
Do I get a vote?
“Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I [Paul] also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, the tribe of Benjamin” [Romans 11:1]”
And continuing:
Romans 11:2-5 God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew. Don’t you know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah—how he appealed to God against Israel: “Lord, they have killed your prophets and torn down your altars; I am the only one left, and they are trying to kill me”? And what was God’s answer to him? “I have reserved for myself seven thousand who have not bowed the knee to Baal.” so too, at the present time there is a REMNANT chosen by grace.
Whom do you think Elijah was speaking about when he said “they have killed your prophets and torn down your altars”?
UNBELIEVING Jews. They perished. Their bloodline didn’t save them. Only the believers were saved.
So, of course, God did not cast away His people, the remnant of believing Jews, which later included a remnant of believers of all nations, in Christ.
“My goodness, you sound like a Roman Catholic appealing to a Church Father!”
I’m sure you must know who Martin Luther was, but that remark doesn’t sound like you do.
“The Temple that is described in Matthew is not the Lord’s Body since no abomination of desolation can stand in it!”
That’s obvious. It was the temple that was still standing, not a “future third temple” mentioned only in the sensationalized, yet nonbiblical books written by the likes of people such as LaHaye and Lindsey.
Again, the physical temple was destroyed because Christ is the Temple.
not a chance.
No Gentile was ever under the Law -- only Jews.
The 'church' gets Raptured out to take her part as the Bride of Christ...The wedding takes place in Heaven...
'This' is at the end of the Great Tribulation just before Jesus returns...
The bible strongly hints at a limited mid-Tribulation Rapture and a limited post-Tribulation Rapture as well...This is called the First Resurrection...
Any one who did not get saved before the Rapture is complete, will not be a part of the Bride of Christ...
Those who are 'saved' after the Rapture (Jews and Gentiles alike) will go on into the Millennium and live and reproduce for a thousand years...On earth...With Jesus Christ sitting on the physical Throne of David in Jerusalem as the King of Kings and Lord of Lords...
At the Great White Throne Judgment, these 'Christians' will be judged on their faith as well as their works...
He casts away unbelievers, Esau was a prime example of that. He’s still mad at him
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In fact, truth be told, there's an abomination set up there now, and a third temple will just be another.
Somebody claiming to be a Christian and the head of Christianity on earth is another. Lots of examples past, present and future
“Luke is talking about the events of 70AD, Matthew isn’t.”
Luke 21:32: “I tell you the truth, THIS generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.
Matthew 24:34: “I tell you the truth, THIS generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.”
Jesus said “this” generation in Luke when He was speaking about what was going to happen in 70 AD, which makes perfect sense.
So in Matthew why did Jesus not say “that” generation will not pass away if He was speaking about what was going to happen 2,000 years later? Why did He still say “this”?
What’s more, how did His disciples take “this” to mean “this” in one sentence and “this” to mean “that” in another?
I believe you know the answer to those questions.
“No where does scripture say that the “holy place” has to be a temple.”
Actually, I believe you’re right on that. Jerusalem was known to the Jews as the “holy city.”
Quote from Charles Spurgeon (1888): “This portion of our Saviour’s words appears to relate solely to the destruction of Jerusalem. As soon as Christ’s disciples saw “the abomination of desolation,” that is, the Roman ensigns, with their idolatries, “stand in the holy place,” they knew that the time for their escape had arrived; and they did flee to the mountains.” (Matthew: The Gospel of the Kingdom. . p. 215).
Could even be the “Holy Land” Israel. Imagine that
Christ said 'this' generation in Matthew because He was referring to the generation He was talking about, the one that was going to deal with the anti-Christ.
What’s more, how did His disciples take “this” to mean “this” in one sentence and “this” to mean “that” in another? I believe you know the answer to those questions.
Yes, I know the answer to the question based on what the passages say.
Matthew is speaking of a future generation and Luke to the current one.
Since the disciples didn't see the abomination of desolation put into the Temple, but did see armies surrounding them, they knew what warning to heed, the one dealing with the destruction of Jerusalem.
In fact, God didn't even want Paul returning to Jerusalem, he was done with that city-for now.
But no abomination of desolation ever stood in the temple of 70AD and nor did all the tribes see Christ when He returned to save the city-that was going to happen in the future (Matthew 24:30)
And you know the answer to that question but refuse to see the truth.
The passage in Daniel makes it clear that sacrifices had restarted and then are stopped.
Now, if it isn't an actual Temple, it has to at least represent one, such as David's tabernacle did.
Somebody claiming to be a Christian and the head of Christianity on earth is another. Lots of examples past, present and future
None of whom have ever placed an abomination of desolation into the Jewish temple and defiled it.
We also have the passages in 2Thess that state that the anti-Christ enters into the Temple of God claiming to be God (2Thess.2)
I’m sure you must know who Martin Luther was, but that remark doesn’t sound like you do.
Yes, he was a man who taught Sola Scriptura
So, if he can't prove what he says from scripture, I ignore him.
[ “The Temple that is described in Matthew is not the Lord’s Body since no abomination of desolation can stand in it!” ]
That’s obvious. It was the temple that was still standing, not a “future third temple” mentioned only in the sensationalized, yet nonbiblical books written by the likes of people such as LaHaye and Lindsey.
Since no Abomination of desolation ever stood in that temple of 70AD a stubborn fact that you keep tripping over.
Again, the physical temple was destroyed because Christ is the Temple
No one is talking about why the Temple of 70AD was destroyed so don't try to change the subject.
The question is, is that Temple the same one of 70AD and the answer is-no it is not, since no Abomination of desolation ever stood in it.
So, you can keep twisting and turning, but you can't change that fact.
That is pure nonsense, for Jesus in Luke said "when you see the armies surrounding Jerusalem, then flee". The Roman armies let anyone out of Jerusalem who wanted to come out until the actual siege began -- then it was too late. Those who waited until the Roman armies had entered the city were all either slaughtered or sold into slavery -- none of them ever fled to the mountains. So these were not/are not the same event. The abomination of desolation is still future --
Amen.
[Was the Garden of Eden a unique period of time in the bible? Yes or no will suffice.]
Yes. It was unique because the human race under Adam was STILL sinless and actually walked with God in the garden in the cool of the evening. After sin entered in, the convenants began that define the different dispensations God has used to bring man to the knowledge of Him and His Christ which will culminate in the 1000 year rule of Jesus Christ on the earth after the seven year period of tribulation. Bible beleivers read the bible and believe all of it , religionists rationalize the bible and believe what they want.
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days' (Dan.12:11)
Now that sounds like 70AD alright!
Imagine actually going to the passage that the Lord is speaking about in Daniel.
No, it is better to run to Luther, Spurgeon and Strongs to avoid dealing with the truth.
Look up in your concordance “this generation” and you will find that every time “this generation” is used, it means the generation living presently. Then look up “that generation” and you will find that God only said “that generation” when He meant a generation at a different time.
You’re telling me that “this” means “this” in Luke but “this” means “that” in Matthew. Your answer is as intellectually dishonest as Clinton’s “it depends on what the meaning of ‘is’ is.
BTW, if you knew anything about the Roman empire, you would know that Roman soldiers carried graven images of Ceasar with them and worshipped that image.
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