Posted on 10/26/2007 9:00:59 PM PDT by topcat54
So then, if Christians endure to the end, they will eventually be saved???
At the Rapture, all true Christians (born again by faith), are taken to heaven.
Now, during the 7 year tribulation period, there will be many Jews and Gentiles who will be saved and martyred as a result (Rev.7:14).
Those Gentiles who do survive to the end, will be judged on how they treated the Jews and if they treated them well, they will be able to enter into the Millennial kingdom (Matthew 25:31-46)
Christian is a very specific designation which only applies to those who are saved between the beginning of the Church at Pentecost (Acts 2) and its removal at the Rapture (1Thess.4, 1Cor.15.)
All of those who are saved after the Rapture are not considered dispensationally as 'Christians' since they do not have the same relationship with Christ, one of which is the permanent indwelling of Holy Spirit resulting with the believer being in personal union with Christ as His Bride and thus, part of His own body.
Since I’m not a scoffer wrt God’s timetable, I will not judge that. If you think you are smarter than Jesus, be my guest. Certainly the world is in better shape today than it was 2000 years ago from the standpoint of the numbers exposed to and accepting the gospel of salvation.
By the time Christ returns all will be accomplished has He has said.
How long you s'pose this Millenium is going to last???
That’s up to God. I believe He wishes to have a great multitude to worship Him through eternity (Rev. 7:9). It takes time to get those types of numbers.
Now I am one of the saints...But it don't seem I'm reigning over anybody...I'm still having trouble with the dog...Who are you reigning over???
Perhaps that’s what you get when you walk by sight and not by faith. I’m reigning because Christ says I’m reigning, not because I feel it or perceive it with my human faculties.
Don't the Amill's simply skip the millennial reign and move right into the eternal one-the New Heavens, New Earth, New Jerusalem?
I agree with you whole heartedly...
You stated however, that all get saved by grace thru faith but yet those Gentiles apparently have to perform works along with faith to get saved...
What's your view on that???
One thing is for certain...There are far more churches now but whether they are filled with saved Christians may be debatable...
The world is filled with apostacy...
Perhaps that’s what you get when you walk by sight and not by faith. I’m reigning because Christ says I’m reigning, not because I feel it or perceive it with my human faculties.
Sure, that's exactly like saying Jesus really IS in the wafer and wine...And it's like saying I have won the lottery but I can't see the money and it doesn't show up at my bank...
What you refuse to accept is that when Jesus shows up again, ALL eyes will SEE Him...He will move to sit on the Throne of David in Jerusalem...We will no longer need Faith...We will be able to look Jesus in the eye...We will be walking by sight...
And when He says we will reign with him, we will actually REIGN WITH HIM...
No, that only shows what they believed (James 1:22)
That is where those dispensationalists who believe that one is saved by faith plus works under the Law and in the Tribulation err, they forget that one always acts on what one truly believes.
A case in point is for the Christian today, 1Jn.1:8-10 reveals about what the believer believes about personal sin.
If one believes that one can and does sin, he will confess it, but if he believes that he is sinless, he will ignore 1Jn.1:9 and thus, deceive himself and continue in sin.
A Christian must do something to get cleansed, he must confess that sin, but he is not cleansed because of the act, he is cleansed by his faith in what Christ did on the Cross and his act reveals that faith.
EACH ONE OF WHICH WAS SUFFICIENT TO BLOW THE 70AD THING TOTALLY OUT OF THE WATER.
Doesn't scratch the surface of the Replacementarian perspective, mentality, blindness.
I've a fair amount of experience, in my near 61 years, of observing folks truly seeking truth. Some of the pontifications from the Replacementarian perspective do not bear the faintest whiff of a demonstrably authentic tone and spirit of truly seeking Biblical truth. That's increasingly alarming, to me.
Am reminded of the fellow in the flood on the top of the house . . . with the row boat of rescuers, helicopter etc.
When God sends truth--especially plain Biblical truth repeatedly and it is trashed . . . one wonders what God's response is likely to be.
I still have a lot of confidence that all who truly in their hearts put their trust in Jesus as their Lord and Savior; have confessed such . . . will be saved.
But one begins to wonder . . . when the truth is so fiercely resisted . . . what is the nature of the relationship with He WHO IS TRUTH? If even believers resist HIS SPIRIT LEADING INTO ALL TRUTH . . . what consequences will flow from that sowing. There will undoubtedly be some consequences. I can't imagine them being wonderful.
At a minimum . . . they are likely to find themselves more than an hour late and a dollar short in the birth pangs leading up to The Great Tribulation . . . as such birth pangs get more and more severe and serious.
Troubling.
INDEED
But then what would they be left with, 'rightly dividing', which they hate more then they love the truth,
Sure, that's exactly like saying Jesus really IS in the wafer and wine...And it's like saying I have won the lottery but I can't see the money and it doesn't show up at my bank...
What you refuse to accept is that when Jesus shows up again, ALL eyes will SEE Him...He will move to sit on the Throne of David in Jerusalem...We will no longer need Faith...We will be able to look Jesus in the eye...We will be walking by sight...
And when He says we will reign with him, we will actually REIGN WITH HIM...
LOL -- Exactly -- These Preterists do sound a lot like wafer and whine Vaticanists, don't they.
You could well be right on that score. I don’t know.
And far more rejecting it and going to hell.
Moreover, much of what passes for the Gospel today, isn't, so many who claim to be saved aren't.
We certanly see an increase in religions, such as a return to Romanism by the Protestants and Islam.
I don't see how you get this from that passage. The closest I see any reference that can be interpreted as the Jews is "brethren". However, I think in this case it is more aptly understood as Christians.
Because it is coming after Christ's return.
This is dealing with those who survived the Tribulation, which the Church doesn't go through.
'The scorner seeketh truth, but findeth it not'
I was just reading Roms. 11:24 and we are grafted into the tree, but the Jews who in the end are saved are grafted into it as well. I don't think we remain distinct after we are saved.
And there are scores more where those came from...
LOL...
But they were rebuked for that and told to preach the gospel. IOW, they were wrong. I don't believe they were saved until they believed the gospel.
Thus, the content of the Gospel has changed, but not the method (faith by grace).
We will probably always disagree about this, unless I can get you to change your mind. ;-)
During the Tribulation people are being saved by Grace through Faith. I believe these people are correctly called Born Again Christians not Jews. They may be Jews by ethnicity, but not by Faith. Also, Gentiles are being converted during this period as well.
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