Posted on 07/22/2007 7:40:38 PM PDT by xzins
They are required to believe.
“If ye continue in my word, [then] are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
No argument there.
“FWIW, I think you can toss Gnosticism in with them too. The Gnostic’s believed there was an “elite” group that possessed the “secret truths” to salvation that only they could really understand. That sounds like the magisterium and Pope.”
Sounds like? Naw. Only if the batteries in your hearing aid are running down.
No secret truths. To the contrary. Every document, everything about the Church and the Faith is open to all. We permit all the believers and unbelievers alike to read the Word of God and the Catechism and everything else about the Faith. It’s those that make it up as they go along that it’s hard to keep up with.
Roast leg of lamb. The best lamb I’ve ever had in the world is fresh Iowa lamb.
INGREDIENTS:
Leg of lamb
kosher salt
pepper
2 garlic heads, cloves skinned and sliced thin
PREPARATION:
Warm to room temperature, and rinse under cold water. Place fat side up. Make slits through fat into meat with sharp paring knife. Insert garlic slices completely under fat to keep from burning. Place in roasting pan and sprinkle liberally with kosher salt.
Roast in a 500 degree oven for 50 minutes, turn down to 350 for another 25 minutes or so until golden brown. Remember to baste every 20 minutes with pan drippings. For the last 30 minutes, potatoes, carrots or garlic heads well slicked with pan drippings can be roasted as well. Keep them well basted too.
Let sit for about 15 minutes before slicing.
In our own ways, we do agree that man is to glorify God.
But if man doesn’t do it by his own free will, isn’t that exactly like a bunch of windup toys clapping their hands?
But in the parable, the father wasn’t looking at any distance, never mind far off.
lol. You know I have never eaten lamb
I assume you're speaking only for yourself, because as for me, I see every minute of every day filled with the truth of God's absolute predestination of all things for His glory and the welfare of His children.
Thank God.
I notice your rebuttals never address Romans 9:11 or Acts 13:48. Or this one...
"Blessed is the man whom thou choosest, and causest to approach unto thee, that he may dwell in thy courts: we shall be satisfied with the goodness of thy house, even of thy holy temple." -- Psalm 65:4
I doubt nothing of Christ nor of His abilities.
We disagree on the role and the scope of man’s actions and abilities. I am unable to differentiate between freedom of the animals in the field and the Reformed view of the freedom of men.
That is false. This lie does not become true just because you keep repeating it.
Paul only reiterates what Christ taught and what we believe.
And in reality, Christ was far less egalitarian than any of the Apostles, including Paul.
"I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine." -- John 17:9
Christ knows His own and He will lose none of them.
Amen!!!
If I had any say I would frogmarch them through life. Get the law degree. Marry that girl. Have this many kids. Live in this location.
Of course, I'm not omnipotent, omniscience, or omnipresent.
Well, I didn't write the parable; Jesus did.
As 1000s said, keep trying.
WHAT!?! When did they open up the Vatican library to you and me and permit us to actually read from the Vaticanus? Entire sections of the Vatican Library are locked and sealed from any "outsiders."
And certainly the examples of the RCC insisting that a man's sins only can be forgiven by a priestly intercession; and the RCC insisting that salvation is found only through the eucharist; and the RCC insisting that membership in the RCC is necessary to be redeemed by Christ all stand as testament to its peculiar, anti-Scriptural exclusivity.
"Be not afraid; only believe." -- Mark 5:36
1 John 2:
1
My children, 1 I am writing this to you so that you may not commit sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous one.
2
He is expiation for our sins, and not for our sins only but for those of the whole world.
3
The way we may be sure 2 that we know him is to keep his command ments.
4
Whoever says, “I know him,” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5
But whoever keeps his word, the love of God is truly perfected in him. This is the way we may know that we are in union with him:
6
whoever claims to abide in him ought to live (just) as he lived.
I think that this bears repeating:
1
My children, I am writing this to you so that you may not commit sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous one.
2
He is expiation for our sins, and not for our sins only but for those of the whole world.
You don’t know what you’re missing (drool drool).
And it’s so easy and tastes so good. Just make sure that you get good fresh lamb and that it’s butchered properly with the fell removed. It’s less expensive than a good roast of beef or a crown roast of pork and tastes better.
Head on over to the Vatican’s website, take a look and then we’ll talk.
Not really. Anyone who experiences free will choices - and doesn't think they're an illusion.
I notice your rebuttals never address
In case I haven't made it clear by now, my rebuttal to TULIP proof texts is the whole of the Gospel. It's moot if TULIP is true, pertinent if TULIP is false.
Thanks for your reply. [ By the way I choose to stay up late last night - bad choice. :) ]
And this passage is said about and to the Apostles who were gathered in the room. Here, Jesus is preparing them for their mission to the world.
Pertinent to nothing, I can’t say the word “moot” without thinking of this scene from “Friends”:
Joey: All right, Rach. The big question is, “does he like you?” All right? Because if he doesn’t like you, this is all a moo point.
Rachel: Huh. A moo point?
Joey: Yeah, it’s like a cow’s opinion. It just doesn’t matter. It’s moo.
We don’t rebut Rom 9:11 because there’s nothing to rebut. We understand and agree with it.
Rom 9:
9
For this is the wording of the promise, “About this time I shall return and Sarah will have a son.”
10
And not only that, but also when Rebecca had conceived children by one husband, our father Isaac 4 —
11
before they had yet been born or had done anything, good or bad, in order that God’s elective plan might continue,
12
not by works but by his call—she was told, “The older shall serve the younger.”
God does select people to serve His purpose. We never deny it.
Acts 13:
48
The Gentiles were delighted when they heard this and glorified the word of the Lord. All who were destined for eternal life came to believe,
49
and the word of the Lord continued to spread through the whole region.
We agree on this, too. Where we differ is in the philosophy of double predestination versus single.
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