Posted on 07/22/2007 7:40:38 PM PDT by xzins
Is this any different from the justification of the genocide committed by the Israelites againast the Canaanites?
There is no justice in murder. I merely observed that Cyril Loucaris died long before he was murdered.
Kosta have you, as an adult, acknowledged to GOD your sinful nature and asked JESUS to save you?
You mean to wipe my sins clean so that I can go around sinning all I want 'cause God paid my bill for all times? LOL!
That's a novel concept for our Protestant friends! But they will come back and say something profound like "if that's true, then God's not in control...there was no propitation..." or an even deeper one "our sins killed Him." LOL!
Lucaris not only wrote his Confession, he eventually paid for it with his life, thanks to the ignominious counter-Reformation.
I think you have to add Calvin’s predestination to get to God kills God. Emphasis on think.
I’ve just never seen it so starkly put: God killed Christ. Or God killed the martyrs.
I believe even Calvinist must avoid stating it this way, even if it is correct in their theology - which I’m not sure anyone’s said for sure in this part of the discussion anyway.
Sadly, with the help of Rome, he failed.
If God's sovereignty and the wrath of God are "anthropomorphisms and figures of speech," why do you presume "God is love" isn't?
Harley, when and if you answer post 6,600 would you mind pinging me? I’m love to read your response.
those who sell their soul to the devil, as he did, have no life in them anyway, so I suppose the unrepentant heretic did not lose anything he didn't lose already.
lol. For someone who presumes that God is only love, you display an astounding contempt for your fellow man.
No wonder people get strangled in their sleep.
You haven't been around much, have you. I will say it. Isaiah said it here:
Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors. (Isaiah 53:10-12 KJV)
It is the gospel. Christ was sacrificed for our sins. The only one who could kill Christ was God Almighty. If you don't recognize that it was God who exacted the judgment of death upon Christ, then I don't think you understand why Christ became incarnate.
I still think you’re revolving around in a logical argument without looking at where it leads you.
Could you say, and type these words as your true belief: “God killed Jesus Christ.”?
Sure
Who do you say killed him?
Yes.
Gospels tell us that God is love. How does love, which doesn't change, become hate without ceasing to be love unless it is in the eyes of the beholder? It is our disposition towards God that determines if we experience His love as love or as hate.
Love does not "become" hate. You have God being a one trick pony, unable to walk and chew gum at the same time. Why is God so limited? You are able to love God and righteously hate sin (satan) all at the same time. Does that mean you are "changing"? No. How can God not have your abilities?
Who do you say killed him?
The whole story is right there in the Gospels - from the Last Supper, the night in the garden and so on.
I didn't beat around the bush, I answered your question directly as you requested. So answer my question directly:
Who killed Christ?
Who took his life from him?
You can start with the Sanhedrin, Pilate, etc. and end with the Roman who nailed and hoisted him. Or you could go further back with the crowd choosing Barabbas. Or you could go further back with His teachings upsetting the religious powers of the day.
Did these men have within them the power to kill God?
Did God die?
Thank you so much for sharing your insights, dear sister in Christ!
Are you saying that Christ did not die for our sins?
Or are you saying that Christ is not God?
Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV)
Are you saying God died?
Your question on the topic was whether men have the power to kill God.
My answer was Did God die? or i.e., no. I don’t think you are saying the answer is yes here.
If you wish to get into Christology or the Hypostatic Union or the Doctrine of the Holy Trinity, that would be off on another topic.
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