Posted on 07/22/2007 7:40:38 PM PDT by xzins
Right.
I’d take wisdom over knowledge any day. Start with ‘sophia’ and you can gain ‘gnosis’, but perhaps not ‘ginosko’, as Solomon proved with his idolatry.
Forgive me, I’m sipping my Port and studying, training, er, I’m piddling around. Yeah,that’s it, I’m piddling around. Oh my, now I need to use the bathroom!
” Is God, in His divine nature, subject to pleasure?”
I would say, according to scripture, the answer is yes.
Isaiah 62:5, “For as a young man marrieth a virgin, so shall thy sons marry thee: and as the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee.”
Zephaniah 3:17, “The LORD thy God in the midst of thee is mighty; he will save, he will rejoice over thee with joy; he will rest in his love, he will joy over thee with
singing.”
Matt. 3:17, “And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”
Well, if it is any consolation, it was all greek to me :>)
***I’d take wisdom over knowledge any day.***
That’s what Solomon chose from God. Good choice :>)
All Scripture is of use; do you hear me denying that?
Where does it say that all Scripture is of equal use? Where does it say that the disciples on Earth after Jesus had been taken up have equal or greater value than the words that Our Lord spoke while on Earth? I understand that you are Presbyterian; thank you. I was being only mildly sarcastic in order to prove a point. You have only helped to prove my point even further. The folks that build a theology on Paul that is opposed to the Gospels prove my point. You prove my point by ignoring Matt 5:, Matt 25:, Rev 20: and on and on in favour of cherry picked verses from Paul.
If you take the words of a man as equal to or greater than Christ’s words, now THAT is idolatry.
I’m not sure that God hates. Do you have any Scripture?
See my post 5931 which addresses love, if you would.
***If you take the words of a man as equal to or greater than Christ’s words, now THAT is idolatry.***
On that I agree. I put no man, or church, above the word of God. Our problem is that I believe that the whole of scripture is God’s word, where you believe that the gospels are somehow greater than the rest.
***Where does it say that all Scripture is of equal use? ***
2 Timothy 3:16-17. Oh, wait, that can’t be true because YOU don’t believe it as the truth.
Romans 3:
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6 But now 7 the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, though testified to by the law and the prophets,
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the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction;
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all have sinned and are deprived of the glory of God.
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They are justified freely by his grace through the redemption in Christ Jesus,
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whom God set forth as an expiation, 8 through faith, by his blood, to prove his righteousness because of the forgiveness of sins previously committed,
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through the forbearance of God—to prove his righteousness in the present time, that he might be righteous and justify the one who has faith in Jesus.
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What occasion is there then for boasting? 9 It is ruled out. On what principle, that of works? No, rather on the principle of faith. 10
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For we consider that a person is justified by faith apart from works of the law.
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Does God belong to Jews alone? Does he not belong to Gentiles, too? Yes, also to Gentiles,
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for God is one and will justify the circumcised on the basis of faith and the uncircumcised through faith.
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Are we then annulling the law by this faith? Of course not! On the contrary, we are supporting the law. 11
7 [21] But now: Paul adopts a common phrase used by Greek authors to describe movement from disaster to prosperity. The expressions indicate that Romans 3:21-26 are the consolatory answer to Romans 3:9-20.
8 [25] Expiation: this rendering is preferable to “propitiation,” which suggests hostility on the part of God toward sinners. As Paul will be at pains to point out (Romans 5:8-10), it is humanity that is hostile to God.
9 [27-31] People cannot boast of their own holiness, since it is God’s free gift (Romans 3:27), both to the Jew who practices circumcision out of faith and to the Gentile who accepts faith without the Old Testament religious culture symbolized by circumcision (Romans 3:29-30).
10 [27] Principle of faith: literally, “law of faith.” Paul is fond of wordplay involving the term “law”; cf Romans 7:21, 23; 8:2. Since “law” in Greek may also connote “custom” or “principle,” his readers and hearers would have sensed no contradiction in the use of the term after the negative statement concerning law in Romans 3:20.
11 [31] We are supporting the law: giving priority to God’s intentions. God is the ultimate source of law, and the essence of law is fairness. On the basis of the Mosaic covenant, God’s justice is in question if those who sinned against the law are permitted to go free (see Romans 3:23-26). In order to rescue all humanity rather than condemn it, God thinks of an alternative: the law or “principle” of faith (Romans 3:27). What can be more fair than to admit everyone into the divine presence on the basis of forgiveness grasped by faith? Indeed, this principle of faith antedates the Mosaic law, as Paul will demonstrate in Romans 4, and does not therefore mark a change in divine policy.
God said, “Jacob I loved, Esau I hated.” God said he hates. Why? I don’t know. But before they were in the womb, he hated Esau.
I saw your post, you do not believe that God’s love is an emotion. That is your opinion. It has as much weight as my opinion.
post 5968.
This passage says that all Scripture is profitable to use. It most certain does not say that all Scripture is as profitable as all other Scripture.
I give you entire chapters of the words of Christ and you give me cherry picked Pauline verses out of context. You are building your theology on strung together Pauline verses and completely ignoring the central themes and specific instructions of the Gospels. No wonder that we have diverged. Your theology has entirely different emphasis than the Church’s.
We emphasize Christ. You emphasize a man. I suspect that is why Calvin and Luther (but not Zwingli - I wonder why) hold such high esteem. If you would hold post-Resurrection men to have a greater influence on your theology than Jesus Christ, it is no wonder that the Reformers and the Restorers and even street huckster that comes along has access to your minds, your souls and your pocketbooks.
As I travel along through these debates, I really and truly wonder why somebody doesn’t just come out with their truth and create the Church of Paul and eliminate the entire four Gospels and the Catholic Letters and Revelation from the Bible altogether.
Just what do you have against Paul? Was he not an Apostle like Peter and John, and the others? Why do you think Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are any better that Romans or Hebrews?
***This passage says that all Scripture is profitable to use. It most certain does not say that all Scripture is as profitable as all other Scripture. ***
If it is scripture it is GOD BREATHED. It is the word of God, therefore it is ALL GOOD. All of it.
But you might enquire further as to the meaning of the verse.
Rom 9:13 - As it is written: “I loved Jacob but hated Esau.”
The literal rendering, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated,” suggests an attitude of divine hostility that is not implied in Paul’s statement. In Semitic usage “hate” means to love less; cf Luke 14:26 with Matthew 10:37. Israel’s unbelief reflects the mystery of the divine election that is always operative within it. Mere natural descent from Abraham does not ensure the full possession of the divine gifts; it is God’s sovereign prerogative to bestow this fullness upon, or to withhold it from, whomsoever he wishes; cf Matthew 3:9; John 8:39. The choice of Jacob over Esau is a case in point.
So, God prefers Jacob over Esau and has a greater place for him in His Divine scheme. Not hate.
And Love: I’d suggest that you Google up some dissertations on Love. You may find that Love is an action. It is a conscious act. It is not a passive emotion. Overall, it means that God consciously loves all of His Creation with His will. Not just cherry picked portions of it.
Please do not post to me again.
Excuse this minor intrusion. You posited, “If you would hold post-Resurrection men to have a greater influence on your theology than Jesus Christ...” What was the purpose of Jesus sending the Holy Spirit at Pentecost? Do you not believe that is was by the inspiration of God in them that the disciples turned Apostles preached the Gospel of Grace? Jesus spoke as one man prior to Pentecost. Following, He spoke through many men. I don’t believe Protestants hold these men to be of greater influence because they are preaching and writing by His inspiration via The Holy Spirit. Did He not tell them when they marveled at the miracles He did that they would do greater, more? They didn’t do these by their own power rather the Power of God in them and through them.
He doesn’t believe in Paul.
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