Posted on 07/22/2007 7:40:38 PM PDT by xzins
Actually, I wasn't certain whether the view was change in theology or simple mistake. (Maybe there's no difference.) Of course, there can be no doubt that the Reformers broke away theologically. It remains a matter of great contention whether the Reformers reinterpreted Paul back to the original or invented something new.
I would agree that it is not necessarily intuitive that the Apostolics got it "so wrong" so fast, but we do have two things. First is AG's point that many documents were destroyed early on, so who can say for sure? Second, we have all the examples from the OT. It happened over and over again that immediately after God set the ship straight that the Israelites quickly steered it off course again. It is possible that the same thing happened to the Apostolic wing of the Christian Church.
Well, you certainly didn't hear it from me. In my Bible it says everyone will cast down their crowns. It all belongs to Christ.
I understand the principles of indulgences. I'm more interested in the technicalities of the issue. Catholics make sweeping pronouncements that the Pope cannot be wrong on matters of faith. Yet, paying for indulgences is one obvious instance where the Pope was wrong about an issue of faith. You even state that any self-respecting Catholics distances themselves from this. All the "Yes, but..." or lenghty articles won't hide this fact that, at least at one point in history, the Pope was indeed wrong about a matter of faith. One would think that would cast some sort of doubt on the doctrine of infallibility.
He's always calling, I pray more so that I may answer more..
What??? Are there others??? :O)
He only has to call you once, and he doesn’t have to leave a voice mail, either.
Why do you have such a hard time with it?
Because it is a different view of God, a view that I don't know through scriptures or personal experience. Coincidentally it's not the view of God that the Church teaches now or ever has taught. It's not the Jesus I read in scripture. It's not the view of God of the Saints.
Now I don't doubt that theologians can arrive at quite complex and solid arguments to the contrary. But I would look first to the Saints as the true interpreters of scripture..
Anyway, you see my dilemna, my "hard time with it" is really not that hard for me.. Who am I gonna believe? Calvin or my lyin' eyes? :)
LOL! I think we've finally beaten this analogy to death.. ;0)
It has nothing to do with Calvin. Look at the text I gave you. Why did God destroy the entire population? Was it right? Did he have that right? Does he have that right, now?
If God didn’t have that right, and he did it, God sinned. You know that can’t happen, so, God must have had that right to destroy everybody except those eight HE decided to save. If he had that right then, he still has the right to destroy anybody he wants, now.
Does God use a cell phone? Or can he just reach out and touch someone? :>0
Hehe.. I dunno, but His coverage is excellent...
***Coincidentally it’s not the view of God that the Church teaches now or ever has taught. ***
I agree with that.
***It’s not the Jesus I read in scripture.***
It’s not just Jesus, it’s also what God did in the OT, also. God never changes.
***It’s not the view of God of the Saints.***
I am a saint, and it is what I believe. You, also, are a saint. Paul calls all those who believe saints.
Bet he never gets dropped calls, either :>)
But man's revelation and understanding of God does and has. Either we are talking about two different Gods - even in different readings of the OT - or Jesus brought us good news about our Father that wasn't fully known before. I believe the latter.
I am a saint, and it is what I believe.
I appreciate that, I was referring to much older saints. ;)
You, also, are a saint.
No, in my understanding of saint, I most definitely am not one.
And excellent customer service, although the hidden fees can cause quite a jolt.
[ we really must stop this sometime soon.. ;) ]
***I appreciate that, I was referring to much older saints. ;)***
Hey, I’m over 50 :>)
***No, in my understanding of saint, I most definitely am not one.***
By Pauls understanding, you are: 1 Cor. 1
To the church of God that is in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints together with all those who in every place call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, both their Lord and ours:
I’d trust Paul in this :>)
But what a “family and friend” selection :>)
Why stop, this is fun.
I wonder if Paul and Silas used a “cell” phone to call to God while they were in prison :>)
Sorry if I wasn’t clear.
It was the bishop of the area, not the priest, who conferred it by the laying on of hands. Your pardon for the confusion.
Sir;
I have made two polite requests that we cease contact. I will ask once again that you do not contact me.
Thank you.
Mark
I apologize if I am unable to keep things straight amongst those that I debate.
It is my failing and not yours.
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