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Will the Pope's Pronouncement Set Ecumenism Back a Hundred Years? (Challenge to Apostolicity)
Progressive Theology ^ | July 07

Posted on 07/22/2007 7:40:38 PM PDT by xzins

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To: hosepipe
Miller’s Church History..

I've got it on my reading list. I'm finishing up Pastor Lutzer's "Why We Should Judge" and then I'm going to order that book. I like having the actual book, because I can highlight and scribble notes.

I appreciate the suggestion. I have come across so many good books because of my FRiends.

4,261 posted on 08/26/2007 10:27:59 AM PDT by wmfights (LUKE 9:49-50 , MARK 9:38-41)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

What a glorious reply. Thank you so much for bringing all those verses to bear on this discussion, encouraging me in this education. Indeed, my Glorious God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ is renewing my mind, transforming me. He feeds me with the Bread from Heaven. How delightful this Table He spreads before us, how grateful I for this communion with thee.


4,262 posted on 08/26/2007 10:34:22 AM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: Alamo-Girl
Love to you, Alamo-Girl, and many thanks to God always on your behalf. Mercy indeed! Mercies abounding!
4,263 posted on 08/26/2007 10:35:51 AM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: wmfights; hosepipe
I also am looking forward to investigating Miller's Church History, hosepipe, with many thanks for the link. So much reading, so little time.
4,264 posted on 08/26/2007 10:40:22 AM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Twenty-five percent and growing, by the will of God...

Isn't it a wonderful testimony that the inner desire overcame outward conditioning.

Acts 13:48 Now when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and glorified the word of the Lord.And as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed.

4,265 posted on 08/26/2007 10:40:48 AM PDT by wmfights (LUKE 9:49-50 , MARK 9:38-41)
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To: kosta50; Alamo-Girl; betty boop; .30Carbine
[.. These are all fine examples, Hose, but they are not applicable. If your children turn out to be just unlike you and rejecting you, and accept someone else as their father, they are still your children but they are not yours, because they don't want you. ..]

One does not get born again by splashing babies with water .. or eating a wafer.. or acting like you believe some concept even.. Being born again is a miracle performed by the Holy Spirit after through preparation.. OF HIS.. of you for many years.. Some organization may pronounce words over you but that means nothing if the miracle did not happen..

All churchs have those.. even in the clergy.. In some cases especially in the clergy.. So who is born again?.. I'm not sure.., Maybe even some Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox are.. even some JW's, and Mormons.. One thing is sure.. Being born again is not because of the building you meet in.. or of the rites and ceremonys you observe.. You know, like a Jew..

4,266 posted on 08/26/2007 10:47:38 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: Alamo-Girl
The answer that I have received is that the treasure is not to horde or "lord" over one another but rather to have something to give.

What a testimony to the Holy Spirit working in you!

I'm of exactly the same mind. Any rewards I may recieve I gladly give to our LORD. I am so thankful that a miserable wretch like me would be saved I really can't put it into words.

4,267 posted on 08/26/2007 10:55:42 AM PDT by wmfights (LUKE 9:49-50 , MARK 9:38-41)
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To: Alamo-Girl
[.. The answer that I have received is that the treasure is not to horde or "lord" over one another but rather to have something to give. ..]

Exactly.. In an economy of giving what you have to give is your treasure "hidden in a vessel" (your spirit).. What you HAVE TO GIVE is the treasure.. In the new "heaven" and probably even in "HELL" what you have to give is all important.. However in hell if you have nothing you would be robbed of the immense JOY of giving/sharing.. and fellowship which is itself a "sharing"..

4,268 posted on 08/26/2007 11:00:23 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: .30Carbine; Alamo-Girl; betty boop; Kitty Mittens
[.. What a mercy?. ..]

Yes.. the demeanor of the Holy Spirit, I have noticed is "mercy".. As all that know the Holy Spirit would probably say.. The Holy Spirit leaves tracks of mercy to follow if you do not know him well.. Well said my dear lady.. Our God is a consuming fire that leaves tracks of mercy..

My life is all trampled down with footprints of mercy.. Thank God.. Whether I metaphorically look up to God in the heavens or down at the tracks of the Holy Spirit on the earth(in my life).. God has been carrying ME... My heart is overflowing with gratitude this day.. You have much to GIVE..

4,269 posted on 08/26/2007 11:16:05 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: .30Carbine
He feeds me with the Bread from Heaven. How delightful this Table He spreads before us, how grateful I for this communion with thee.

Amen!

"Come and hear, all ye that fear God, and I will declare what he hath done for my soul." -- Psalm 66:16

4,270 posted on 08/26/2007 11:20:05 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: .30Carbine

Can’t add a thing to your wonderful post.

Thanks for the honor and blessing of reading it.

LUB


4,271 posted on 08/26/2007 11:24:44 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: kosta50
Forced love is no love, Dr. E. Do you understand that?

That's Hallmark, not Scripture, Kosta.

Did God force Himself" on Paul?

At least four times in the New Testament Paul declares himself to be...

"Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God" (2 CORINTHIANS 1:1; EPHESIANS 1:1; COLOSSIANS 1:1; 2 TIMOTHY 1:1.)

Why would you want to claim for yourself what is rightly God's going?

"Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,

Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen." -- Ephesians 3:20-21


"I will cry unto God most high; unto God that performeth all things for me." -- Psalm 57:2

You're missing the point of it all, I'm afraid. Christ fully accomplished what we could never do, even in small part -- He paid for every one of our sins in full for all time.

"But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God...

Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin." -- Hebrews 10:12;18


4,272 posted on 08/26/2007 11:44:11 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Alamo-Girl
[.. A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things. – Matthew 12:35 ..]

Indeed men expose themselves with the spirit of that verse..
They don't have to try, it just happens..

It takes a discerning spirit to notice though most of the time..
The Knowledge of good and evil is still in the realm of the Spirit.. the Holy Spirit..

4,273 posted on 08/26/2007 11:47:47 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: HarleyD
Our old Adamic nature hopelessly wars against this new nature as God perfects us.

Amen, keyword being "hopelessly." God prevails absolutely.

4,274 posted on 08/26/2007 12:00:33 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: kosta50

Sorry, I usually write “Trinitarian Christians.” By that fact, the LDS and JWs are not orthodox Christians.


4,275 posted on 08/26/2007 12:02:07 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: kosta50; MarkBsnr; Alamo-Girl
what's a few million more or less, right?

Ask Mark. That was his point, not mine nor A-G's.

4,276 posted on 08/26/2007 12:04:06 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: kosta50; MarkBsnr; Dr. Eckleburg
Mark, I have asked them a dozen times if not more what's the point of prayer?

Kosta, what do you believe is the purpose of prayer?

4,277 posted on 08/26/2007 12:07:56 PM PDT by suzyjaruki (Why?)
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To: kosta50; Kitty Mittens; wmfights; Alamo-Girl; blue-duncan
No, KM said we were judged, and I am saying the Bible says we will be judged, unless some Protestants on this forum are already dead.

The final judgment in time has yet to occur, but Scripture tells us that although the baliff has yet to read the verdict, it's already in.

We have been redeemed by His blood. We have been purchased with a price. All past tense, by the will of God from before the foundation of the world.

As Blue-duncan said, one day at a time of God's choosing the lives of each of God's children will catch up to their election by God from before time, and they will know "the power of God and the wisdom of God."

"For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of GOD." -- 1 Corinthians 1:18

And how do we know we are saved? Because we believe that Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior and we believe that He rose from the cross to prove it all true.

As God wills.

"According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace" -- Ephesians 1:4-7

Read it, Kosta, and find the confident certainty God has given His children.

4,278 posted on 08/26/2007 12:16:29 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: kosta50
"...For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified..."

So, the Protestants consder themselves "perfect?" Real "sainst," right?

Graciously, we are seen as "perfect" because when God looks at us he sees the perfection of His Son in us which is given to us by the Holy Spirit.

Do you actually doubt so much of the Scriptures, Kosta?

"Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily." -- Colossians 1:26-29


4,279 posted on 08/26/2007 12:44:29 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Alamo-Girl
Amen! Thank you for such a joyous Sunday sermon.

Thus, our good works and good doctrine - for good cause - wrought by Him, through us (John 15) will count for a reward - and all else may be loss:

Amen. "...and by him all things consist" (Col. 1:17).

"by Him, through us"

""Yet I will rejoice in the LORD, I will joy in the God of my salvation." -- Habakkuk 3:19

4,280 posted on 08/26/2007 12:56:10 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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