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Pope Asserts Catholic Primacy
The Washington Times ^ | July 11, 2007 | LORENZAGO DI CADORE

Posted on 07/11/2007 7:32:55 AM PDT by kellynla

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To: Boiler Plate

*shaking head in disbelief*

How did you ever equate throwing books into a fire with throwing living human beings into a fire?

It’s hard to follow along with your hopscotch-like jumps in logic.


261 posted on 07/12/2007 8:19:35 AM PDT by jddqr
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To: wideawake
No man on earth keeps the Scriptures perfectly. You make a non-point.

Sorry for not being clear. What I meant is that the Pope and priests not only violate scripture as we all do, but actually teach false doctrine.

If your sole Biblical basis for claiming the Pope's infallibility is the verse that Peter is the rock upon which the church will be built then you are making at least two questionable assumptions.

But all of this is irrelevant. The Catholic church teaches idolatry. Whether or not a pope ever held the authority of Peter, the leaders of present age certainly do not.
262 posted on 07/12/2007 8:32:44 AM PDT by newguy357
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To: newguy357
Of course it doesn't. Now you are just being silly.
263 posted on 07/12/2007 8:34:00 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: romanesq
Please address the Pope as either the Pope or Pope Benedict when you voice your disagreement.

Why are you Catholics so fixated on irrelevancies? So intently focused on meaningless ceremony and empty ritual that you miss God and become pharisees. As for the pope, I'll call him chief idolater if I please.
264 posted on 07/12/2007 8:34:59 AM PDT by newguy357
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To: Blessed
Peter said he had heard the audible voice of God but scripture was a “more sure word”.

Are you referring to 2 Peter 1:19? It may do you some good to continue reading that passage into 2 Peter 1:20...

19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

Context is everything, friend.

265 posted on 07/12/2007 8:36:48 AM PDT by jddqr
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To: wideawake

“Hail Mary, mother of God.....”


266 posted on 07/12/2007 8:37:02 AM PDT by newguy357
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To: newguy357
i·dol·a·ter or i·dol·a·tor (ī-dŏl'ə-tər)
n.
One who blindly or excessively admires or adores another.

Since it's a virtue to adore Jesus Christ, thanks for the compliment for our Pope!

267 posted on 07/12/2007 8:41:36 AM PDT by jddqr
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To: jddqr
LOL! Only a Catholic would think 'idolater' is a compliment. Thanks for proving my point. Try reading any of the Old Testament prophets to see what God thinks about idolaters.

(by the way, my dictionary says: 1 : a worshiper of idols 2 : a person that admires intensely and often blindly one that is not usually a subject of worship
268 posted on 07/12/2007 8:45:13 AM PDT by newguy357
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To: newguy357

You can call your cat a dog if you please as well, but it doesn’t make it so.


269 posted on 07/12/2007 8:46:09 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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To: newguy357

“So intently focused on meaningless ceremony and empty ritual that you miss God and become pharisees. As for the pope, I’ll call him chief idolater if I please.”

Well it’s good to get that out of the way. Similar to people who refuse to address the President as well, President.

But if you deem such good manners as irrelevant, who’s to disagree.


270 posted on 07/12/2007 8:48:36 AM PDT by romanesq
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To: newguy357; wideawake
“Hail Mary, mother of God.....”

It's actually, "Hail Mary, full of grace" and later on, "Holy Mary, Mother of God." However, what is your contention? Are you denying what is said in the first chapter of Luke? If you choose to mock Luke 1:48, are there other sections of Scripture you choose to mock (of course there's still John, chapter 6)?

I'm also curious, if Martin Luther, John Calvin and most of the other major Protestant Reformation leaders were wrong about the Blessed Virgin Mary, what else were they wrong about?

271 posted on 07/12/2007 8:49:05 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Well let’s not quibble over a few words. Let’s instead discuss the lack of good medicine for mental illness during the Reformation.

Now that was a graceless period.


272 posted on 07/12/2007 8:57:12 AM PDT by romanesq
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To: romanesq

I can’t help but thinking that men like Luther and Calvin would feel far more comfortable today in the Catholic or Orthodox Churches than they would in any of the “reformed” denominations. Both of them held beliefs about the Blessed Mother that can ONLY be described as typically Catholic/Orthodox.


273 posted on 07/12/2007 9:01:57 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: jddqr

Why are you obsessed with throwing people in fires?

First you bring up Sola Scriptura from out of nowhere. Then you start talking about buring mormons in a bonfire, again out of nowhere.

First remove the plank from your own eye.

As they say, never argue with a crazy person.

Bye


274 posted on 07/12/2007 9:32:32 AM PDT by Boiler Plate ("Whatever is begun in anger, ends in shame." Benjamin Franklin)
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To: wagglebee

I think most of their minds have been made up but there is always hope one might see the light. What I find odd is that most protestants get tweeked when their beliefs are offended by the Church, but I (and the majority of Catholics) do not care what they preach against the Catholic Church. Any mistake or percieved mistakes they can point out are used to justify their oun beliefs. They have trouble even acknowledging that the Bible is a Catholic book. But they’ll try to twist this simple fact like everything else that doesn’t square with what they believe.


275 posted on 07/12/2007 9:36:28 AM PDT by rbosque ("To educate a person in mind and not in morals is to educate a menace to society." - Teddy Roosevelt)
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To: wagglebee

There’s little doubt that religious folks in the past wouldn’t feel at home in most any of the Reformed Churches.

Then again, JFK wouldn’t even be in the Democratic Party today. And he’d be slapping his brother Ted every day, but I digress.


276 posted on 07/12/2007 10:02:42 AM PDT by romanesq
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To: newguy357
“Hail Mary, mother of God.....”

Believing that Jesus Christ is God is idolatry?

Should I even mention that purported your quote is inaccurate?

277 posted on 07/12/2007 10:33:03 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

I wonder what the effect would be. Probably about equal to all the Catholic Biblical justifications that we have posted.


278 posted on 07/12/2007 11:08:24 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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To: MarkBsnr
Probably about equal to all the Catholic Biblical justifications that we have posted.

There are actually, as you know, quite a few very sophisticatedly argued Scriptural cases against Church doctrine from the Reformed perspective.

Ultimately they fail, of course.

However, we have seen almost none of them here - it's almost entirely non-sequiturs, straw men, insults and laughably mistaken "history" from people who can't get their facts straight.

A shame, really.

279 posted on 07/12/2007 11:23:00 AM PDT by wideawake
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