Posted on 03/04/2007 8:21:23 AM PST by Iscool
Like I said, the scriptures show the Church of God to be the New Testament Church. This is the same church the Apostles began at Pentecost....observing all the Feast days and Sabbaths of Leviticus 23.
Your organization, and it's Protestant daughters are in fact the con artists, and have been deceiving mankind for 1700 years with your mythology, phoniness and false traditions. There is very little resemblance between your outfit and the New Testament Church of the Apostles. I know it, you know it and the scriptures prove it.
So do I. But then it doesn't allow Catholics to make the fun argument that "if it wasn't for us, you wouldn't have a Bible." Which not all Catholics argue, and I must confess that I might think the same argument fun if I were a Catholic myself. Obviously, the Church played a huge role in preserving the Word of God for us today. Of course, God would have preserved His word one way or another. But it is worth our Protestant thanks to the Church for its work in preserving the Canon.
Like I said to someone else on this thread....Peter was never a "Pope". Peter was never even in Rome. This is simply another phony tradition of your totally deceived organization.
Ah come on Bass you still would have 2/3rds of it whether the Catholics babysat it or not. :-)
Salvation!
I am sitting here waiting for the advertised pain. If I don't hurt by tomorrow I'm going to book this as a sho' 'nuff FR miracle. I'm serious!
They numbed my foot and towards the end backed off on the anaesthesia so I could watch the surgeon "close" on my left foot. I have actually seen my bones! Weird! Sure am glad we're promised glorified bodies. This one is looking funkier by the minute!
The people were just as nice and professional as could be. The only thing I have to worry about now is a little bleeding from my right foot. If it keeps up I should probably go in tomorrow. And I bet I will start getting stiff and sore. You don't break 4 bones w/o some pretty good discomfort.
But I think the vicodin is keeping me awake. But so far this is really good AND I got to spend extra time in prayer and with the Psalms! Is this a great life or WHAT!
My Homeric Greek class with John Foley was a great experience of which I probably did not take full advantage. It was the toughest Greek class I took, easily. I was lost without my Homeric dictionary. Lucian it is not.
the conversion of oral to written tradition really does follow a pattern!
Of course it does. That said, it is still not analogous to Catholic Tradition. The Canon could absolutely be compared to Homer in the transition from oral to written. But there is not really an analogy that I can see in the development of doctrine in the Catholic Church to something in Oral Tradition. Your posts have been very helpful, however, and perhaps you could point me in the proper direction.
Why not? I'm willing to bet you pick and choose your Ignatius quotes. Good for the goose and whatknot.
As Dave would say, "Thank you. Please drive through."
You are blessed.
Which shouldn't automatically disqualify it as a statement of truth in a theological setting. Mysticism will end up with us in circles or worse.
Con artists? Really? A differing of opinion on church history and polity and they're con artists? I think that's a non-starter.
And as the Church Fathers agree, in the same way that Peter was given the Keys to Kingdom, each of us who make the faith assertion that Jesus is the Christ also receives the keys.
To be honest, I didn't read the article past the "RC's think you can buy your way out of hell." Nothing good gonna come after that crappy start. However, I do enjoy the discussion in posts like these and usually I learn something. And I'm not sure I'm ever in the appropriate environment for such careful discourse as my neurons do not always correctly fire. I appreciate your comment and the tenor of your post as well. Kaire.
I'm quite sure we have no stranglehold on the state of being.
Dangit, man. You always make me laugh. Thanks
Hey, that's cool that your thinking about the OPL. Raised in a Dominican family in a Dominican Parish. I'm one as well. Might just have to teach you the secret handshake.
How on earth did you break four bones? Yes, I'm nosey, and clutzy, so I'm always on the lookout for more ways I could possibly injure myself.
Then why did you bring up the question of whether the Church considered you a part of it?
Among the things which keep this thread alive is that the article says Catholics believe things they don't believe, starting with the whole buying your way out of hell fire nonsense. You said that the Catholic Church does not consider you a part of it "so" you question whether we are part of the same family. YOU brought it up in post #77.And when I do respond and the person rapidly changes the subject without acknowledging his error, well, it's all very troubling.
That sounds like a good research project for you to undertake. I'd be interested in your findings, if they came from a better source than this article.
I've always thought that in regions of the earth w where things stop growing in, say, September it would be not so much good as almost inevitable that eating would tend to get restricted until the sheep lambed and some early crops came in.
And of course the English word "Lent" comes from an older word meaning "Spring" and related to length (The days get longer in the Spring! -- More time in the LIGHT!)
I also imagine there were many places where those most civilized food-stuffs, bread and wine, which although civilized yet seem so almost elemental, are used in religious meals.
And there are a number of stories where a God-hero dies and comes back to life, or so I'm told.
So there are two questions: (1)Are there "pagan" pre-cursors to Lent and (2) So what?
Too bad these good questions come up in a thread about an article which makes the laughably ignorant assertion that Catholics think they can buy their way out of hell.
We've done this one a gazillion times too. Ignatius didn't NEED to have a proper name for it. It still leaves open whether one could say: There was an entity which later took as a "proper name" an attribute of itself.
My child didn't have a name until she was born. That doesn't mean she didn't exist until she was born. That's how I'd approach the issue.
And the whole "proper name" thing is weird when it comes to us Calflicks. I'm actually a member of "The Church of Richmond, Virginia". Yes, I have a hard time with that too .... :-)
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