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Why believe in hypocrisy? [college op-ed about losing faith]
The Spectrum ^ | FEBRUARY 23rd, 2007 | SHANNON WHITE

Posted on 02/23/2007 8:32:11 AM PST by Alex Murphy

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To: Alex Murphy

My personal favorite:

Nothing is better than God
A ham sandwich is better than nothing
Therefore: A ham sandwich is better than God.

And that's why they call it Wonderbread!


41 posted on 02/23/2007 10:43:49 AM PST by mockingbyrd (peace begins in the womb)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Beyond the fact it draws the Incarnation into question, it is pretty silly. Most Early Church Fathers said that Cain's wife would have been a sibling.


42 posted on 02/23/2007 10:51:41 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: fogofbobegabay
(for St. Paul himself had none)

True, but I see no biblical evidence that Paul was a bishop. And your interpretation seems to fly in the face of verse 5, that suggests that one is unqualified to be a bishop unless he's demonstrated the ability to control his own kids.

43 posted on 02/23/2007 10:54:02 AM PST by Sloth (The GOP is to DemonRats in politics as Michael Jackson is to Jeffrey Dahmer in babysitting.)
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To: TBP
Only about 1/3 of the world's population calls itself Christian. That means that, even taking them all at their word, by mainstream theology 2/3 of the world is condemned to eternal damnation.

A large majority of humanity being condemned is explicitly stated by Christ: "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it." -- Matthew 7:13-14

44 posted on 02/23/2007 10:57:44 AM PST by Sloth (The GOP is to DemonRats in politics as Michael Jackson is to Jeffrey Dahmer in babysitting.)
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To: Alex Murphy
! I myself am a huge proponent of teaching apologetics to young people. Never be afraid of questions! Just because we may not have the answers, does not mean the answers aren't out there

I try to do the same thing with the kids in the high school Sunday school class I teach. I am a proponent of inoculation - it is far better that they be introduced to these issues earlier rather than later, and learn that questioning stuff like this is 100% acceptable.

45 posted on 02/23/2007 10:58:32 AM PST by jude24
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To: Alex Murphy
"Can God make a burrito so spicy, even He can't eat it?"

There are many things that God can't do. God cannot act in an un-godlike way. God cannot do things that go against His nature. God cannot become non-god. I don't know if you were serious, but that is the kind of sophomoric question that is often raised by high school or college students.

46 posted on 02/23/2007 10:59:11 AM PST by DeweyCA
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To: Sloth
True, but I see no biblical evidence that Paul was a bishop.

St. Paul was superior to bishops; he appointed them.

... one is unqualified to be a bishop unless he's demonstrated the ability to control his own kids.

So, not only are celibate men ineligible to be bishops, but married men who are childless are also ineligible? Where does that leave Jesus (unmarried, no natural children)? Where does that leave men who take the Biblical command "Imitate me as I imitate Christ" (1 Core 11:1) literally, including obeying Jesus' words in e.g., Mark 10:29 or Luke 18:29?

Historically, the verse you cite has never been interpreted to prohibit the ordination of celibate or childless men to the episcopacy. It is true that married men were ordained in the early church. (A church consisting primarily of adult converts from paganism, of course.) St. Paul is setting limits on the sort of married men who can be ordained (married only once, with Godly children if any), not prohibiting the ordination of celibate or childless men.

47 posted on 02/23/2007 11:04:39 AM PST by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: ArrogantBustard
'Too bad if you're gay, God doesn't love you any more.'

For some folks, its all about the buggery.

That, or they see that some Christians actually do hat those whose sins are different than theirs. There is a strand of Christianity that is completely sex-obsessed.

48 posted on 02/23/2007 11:05:34 AM PST by jude24
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To: jude24
There is a strand of Christianity that is completely sex-obsessed.

Perhaps. There also seems to be a strand of heresy that begins below the belt.

49 posted on 02/23/2007 11:11:29 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Alex Murphy

My belief is that the answer to Cain's wife is in Genesis.

1:26.And God said, "Let Us make man in Our image..........
27.So God created man in His own image, in the image of
God created He him; male and female created He them.
31....And the evening and morning were the sixth day.


2:7.And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground,
and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and
man became a living soul.
22.And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man,
made He a woman, and brought her unto the man. (notice
she wasn't formed at the same time as Adam, as the
females of the 6th day races, or mankind, were)

Adam and Eve were formed on the 8th day, after God rested on the 7th.

Cain married one of the 6th day creations. Mankind, all races, were created on the "6th day". Adam (eth ha adam - the man Adam)was formed on the "8th day".

Anyway, this is what I see written in Genesis and it has answered one of the questions I have had since I was a child.


50 posted on 02/23/2007 11:13:43 AM PST by Ping-Pong
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To: wagglebee
However, ALL Protestants only believe part of the Bible because a heretic named Martin Luther decided to eliminate those portions of Canon that conflicted with his heresy.

I've been protestant all my life, I would like to know which portions differ between my Bible and yours please.

51 posted on 02/23/2007 11:17:48 AM PST by American_Centurion (No, I don't trust the government to automatically do the right thing.)
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To: American_Centurion

1 and 2 Maccabees, Sirach, Wisdom, Baruch, Tobit, and Judith were removed from the Bible by M. Luther & Co.


52 posted on 02/23/2007 11:22:00 AM PST by fogofbobegabay
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To: fogofbobegabay

These are Old or New Testament books?


53 posted on 02/23/2007 11:23:29 AM PST by American_Centurion (No, I don't trust the government to automatically do the right thing.)
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To: American_Centurion

Old.


54 posted on 02/23/2007 11:23:52 AM PST by fogofbobegabay
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To: fogofbobegabay

Thank you.

I'll see if I can find copies and read them.


55 posted on 02/23/2007 11:24:21 AM PST by American_Centurion (No, I don't trust the government to automatically do the right thing.)
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To: American_Centurion

As I recall they were included in the first edition of the KJV but removed from the subsequent versions.


56 posted on 02/23/2007 11:25:32 AM PST by fogofbobegabay
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To: American_Centurion
You'll find the missing books in any Catholic Bible.
57 posted on 02/23/2007 11:26:19 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: American_Centurion

These books are in every Catholic Bible. Try: http://www.drbo.org/


58 posted on 02/23/2007 11:27:21 AM PST by fogofbobegabay
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To: American_Centurion
Here's a more modern translation, though I must confess to being less than thrilled with it.
59 posted on 02/23/2007 11:28:05 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Campion
St. Paul was superior to bishops; he appointed them.

Indeed, Paul was an apostle.

So, not only are celibate men ineligible to be bishops, but married men who are childless are also ineligible?

That's certainly the prima facie reading of it.

Where does that leave Jesus (unmarried, no natural children)?

Unqualified to serve as a bishop, in any conventional sense.

Where does that leave men who take the Biblical command "Imitate me as I imitate Christ" (1 Core 11:1) literally, including obeying Jesus' words in e.g., Mark 10:29 or Luke 18:29?

The same. It's not as though the inability to serve in a particular role is somehow crippling, or evidence of spiritual unfitness. I assume you'd agree that a woman cannot be a bishop, but that hardly reflects badly on her or proves that it's an unreasonable criterion.

60 posted on 02/23/2007 11:30:16 AM PST by Sloth (The GOP is to DemonRats in politics as Michael Jackson is to Jeffrey Dahmer in babysitting.)
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