Posted on 01/29/2007 6:45:51 AM PST by stfassisi
I'll leave that up to each individual's conscience.
Why do you ridicule those who honor Mary?
I don't. I myself honor Mary, and call her blessed. I ridicule those who have turned her into a goddess, and have made her the central act of a three-ring circus.
>>>I myself honor Mary, and call her blessed.<<<
Umm, no, actually you called her "Our Lady of Perpetual Thin Mints" at post 550, above.
Which, again, after you through out the rest of the Old Testement, which is just quaint old myths, why would any Jew or Gentile have any reason to look for a Messiah? If Genesis means little more than a nice old tradition, why expect Isaiah or Jeremiah's prophecies about the coming of the Son of Man to be any different? For that matter, what use is the Gospels? Can they not be just quaint old myths that don't really apply except for moral living? For that matter, what is moral?
Friend, be very careful on the path you are treading. For if you dismiss Genesis, you might as well dismiss the Incarnation. If there was no real fall from grace, no real reason for Jesus to die, then there is no reason to listen to any teaching of Jesus. Dismissing the Old Testament (except for certain passages of the Law) means that Christianity is a lie.
The better one was Mary, Queen of Kernels...
These barbs are aimed directly at the false Mary that has been hoisted to the highest spire of the catholic church. They have nothing at all to do with the Mary of Scripture; I fully respect her.
You are 100% correct. If we start "picking and choosing" which parts of scripture are true and which are "myths" we will get totally lost. We actually would wind up on just about the same level as the moral relativists and just dismiss the parts of the Bible that interfere with what we want to do (i.e. someone who wants to commit adultery simply determines that the Decalogue was offered more as a "guideline" than a Law).
And as you said, without the Fall of Man, there is no need for our Salvation. If a sinful nature was "just the way God made us" then it would be improper of Him to put conditions on Salvation; however, He didn't create us as sinful, mankind CHOSE to be sinful, hence the absolute need for the Crucifixion and our acceptance of our Savior.
Absolutely! That's why it is so important to have the immovable, moral foundation of Scripture, and not the shifting sand of tradition, or philosophies of men.
Within the world created for us, there are certain truths outside of the Bible. The best example is mathematics. That's why I used the example that, "Even God can't make 1 + 1 equal 3". The fact that 1 + 1 = 2 is irrefutable truth, and hence God cannot change it.
Amen!
It's all true. If we don't understand it fully, that makes it no less true.
Except that God is 1+1+1=1. God is God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. (OK that is a bit of a cheap shot, but a great example on the limits of logic).
:-)
WOW!!!
We agree on something scriptural! :-)
Either the Bible is entirely true or it isn't. If it isn't it's just another "self help" book. Of course, this is what the secular humanists/moral relativists (and there are plenty of them to be found among Catholics and Protestants) want us to believe and they use this to justify their leftist agenda (homosexuality, abortion, non-marital sex, etc.).
Mary of Scripture is Mary of the Church.
Why in heaven's name would you ridicule and 'barb' someone, who's heart you do not know, and belittle them in their honor of God's Mother?
(ps. Do you want the Football Jesus Bobblehead or not? time's awastin')
The Tri-une nature of God is not mathematics, and it doesn't refute mathematics as unchangeable truth.
Many folks have the false idea that God is limitless and can do anything. This is far from reality. For example, He cannot lie. He must be perfect in every way. His perfect justice is why hell must exist. If people choose not to accept His perfect plan of salvation, He MUST commit them to hell. Any other action would be unjust.
I love this one:
Q. "Can God make a rock so big that even He can't pick it up?"
A. No! God cannot make anything outside of His control.
So what about the tri-une nature of God? It goes back to the basic idea of God as supreme being. If God is the supreme being, then there can exist no other being greater than God. Hence, God must be One. However, if there were multiple supreme beings, then their purpose, intent, and actions would have to be perfectly identical; In other words they would be One. Nothing, however, would prevent them from having different personalities... that is, being different persons.
Ergo, the three-persons-one-God understanding given in Scripture is acceptable. All three persons are unique, and all three are perfectly identical in purpose, intent, and action.
"No. God has said that sin = death. If you sin, you will die"
So, if you never sin, you will never die?
Amen, brother! And again I say, Amen!!!
If Scripture isn't true, then our time would be better spent in any hedonistic activity that pleases us, as this life would be all there is.
I tried that in my youth and it made me miserable, sure I had a lot of fun times but in the end I was still empty.
"Her Seed is Jesus which is why it says "His" heel."
There are no capital letters in Hebrew. That's a translator's gloss, an interpretation.
16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, “Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”
Romans 5:12
12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned
Just a "his" heel is enough to show it is Jesus.
Good point. Actually there are many interpretations to Revelation. This is not one book I would want to develop theology from, especially about Mary. Perhaps they would like to hear how some people interpret "the beast" in relationship to the Pope. ;O)
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