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With God in 'mid-morph,' the pope seems worried
Daily Southtown ^ | December 28, 2006 | Bonnie Erbe

Posted on 12/28/2006 8:37:27 AM PST by Alex Murphy

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To: kawaii
Webster's Dictionary: ADORE [Latin "adorare" meaning "worship"] to worship as divine.

Check it out for yourself.

41 posted on 12/28/2006 11:36:09 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: wideawake
do you believe that the universe was created by more than one Creator?

Was that Creator's name "YHWH or Jehovah" [the God of Israel] or "Allah" [the God of Mohammed]?

42 posted on 12/28/2006 11:40:56 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Uncle Chip

adorare can mean either worship or adore not both at once.


43 posted on 12/28/2006 11:43:38 AM PST by kawaii (Orthodox Christianity -- Proclaiming the Truth Since 33 A.D.)
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To: Uncle Chip

You realize most Christians who speak Arabic say Allah and not God right?

Ah I forgot they don't count as REAL Christians for you...


44 posted on 12/28/2006 11:44:28 AM PST by kawaii (Orthodox Christianity -- Proclaiming the Truth Since 33 A.D.)
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To: kawaii
If the God they worship, the violent one who gives virgins to murderers, doesn't actually exist.

Well, that's the thing.

In their minds they are worshipping a deity who simultaneously (1) created the world and (2) gives virgins to murderers.

In reality, God certainly has attribute (1) and certainly does not have attribute (2).

We both know that there is no God other than God and we both know that Muslims intend to worship God under his true attribute of (1) while they also insist on assigning to Him the false attribute of (2).

The way to look at the situation with the maximum amount of Christian charity is to see Muslims as people trying to worship God correctly but who have been demonically deceived into worshipping him incorrectly.

According to my Orthodox Priest, they don't really worship the same God.

I'm not going to reject his view out of hand, but I would say that they claim to worship the God of Abraham.

From the level of evangelization, I believe the best way to win Muslim souls for Christ is to fasten on the common belief that God is the God of Abraham and to explain how the Gospel is the true and final account of God's self-revelation to mankind and how the Koran cannot be.

45 posted on 12/28/2006 11:46:12 AM PST by wideawake (1)
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To: kawaii

Take it up with Webster's Dictionary ----


46 posted on 12/28/2006 11:53:22 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: kawaii

Is "Allah" their word for "God" or the name of their "God"???


47 posted on 12/28/2006 11:55:15 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Uncle Chip
Was that Creator's name "YHWH or Jehovah" [the God of Israel] or "Allah" [the God of Mohammed]?

The Creator's name as revealed to Moses is usually transliterated these days as YHWH.

The name means "I am that am" or "I am who am."

"Jehovah" is an inaccurate transliteration.

The translation that is usually used in English to translate YHWH is "LORD" - which is not a literal translation at all.

Arabic-speaking Jews and Christians referred to YHWH as "Allah" for centuries before Mohammed robbed his first caravan.

"Allah" is the Arabic word for "the god" or "the deity" from the Arabic word "ilah" which is related to the Hebrew word "El" - which is used as a name for the God of Abraham in the Hebrew Scriptures along with YHWH and Elohim and Shaddai.

Mohammed did not invent the word "Allah" - he stole it from Arabic-speaking Jews and Arab Christians.

48 posted on 12/28/2006 11:57:33 AM PST by wideawake (1)
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To: Uncle Chip

Websters is a rag btw. Get my Oxford's an we'll talk...


49 posted on 12/28/2006 11:59:44 AM PST by kawaii (Orthodox Christianity -- Proclaiming the Truth Since 33 A.D.)
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To: Uncle Chip

Allah is pretty much the Arabic word for God. Not all folks who say Allah are reffering to a guy in Arab garb with a sword, killing infidels, and handing our virgins to lucky martyrs.


50 posted on 12/28/2006 12:00:37 PM PST by kawaii (Orthodox Christianity -- Proclaiming the Truth Since 33 A.D.)
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To: wideawake

So are you saying that "Allah" of the Koran is "YHWH or the Lord" of the Tanach?


51 posted on 12/28/2006 12:01:31 PM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: wideawake

(He also stole the Crecent from Christians.)


52 posted on 12/28/2006 12:01:40 PM PST by kawaii (Orthodox Christianity -- Proclaiming the Truth Since 33 A.D.)
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To: Uncle Chip
Is "Allah" their word for "God" or the name of their "God"???

The word "Allah" is a title, not a name. It has the same function in Arabic that the word "God" has in English. English speaking Christians know that "God" is not actually God's name.

Muslims believe that there are 99 names of God, but that all these names, including "Allah" are really titles and that there is a 100th hidden name which is God's true name.

This concept is another Muslim notion that is taken from Judaism - the Jews never pronounce the name YHWH and consider it ineffable, using titles like "Adonai", "Elohim", "HaShem", "El Shaddai" etc. when praying or discussing God.

53 posted on 12/28/2006 12:06:23 PM PST by wideawake (1)
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To: kawaii
Websters is a rag btw. Get my Oxford's an we'll talk...

No matter what dictionary you use it will never change the 2000 year old meaning of its Latin root: "adorare" which means "worship". The American College Dictionary says the same thing.

Are the ROCORs trying to tell us what our English words mean now? They have enough trouble with their own language.

54 posted on 12/28/2006 12:10:36 PM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Uncle Chip
So are you saying that "Allah" of the Koran is "YHWH or the Lord" of the Tanach?

The Koran is not the first text to use the word "Allah" - Christians and Jews called God "Allah" before Islam existed.

The question here is not whether the Tanach and the Koran are referring to the same God - the God of Abraham which both texts acknowledge as the true God - the question is whether the Tanach or the Koran is an accurate record of God's dealings with mankind.

The Tanach is completely accurate. The Koran is completely inaccurate - except for the passages where it confirms what the Tanach says.

55 posted on 12/28/2006 12:10:37 PM PST by wideawake (1)
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To: Alex Murphy
European transmogrification of this religion born in Israel imposed Eurocentric visions onto its icons.

Disdaining European medievals for their lack of cosmopolitan dark-hued models makes about as much sense as contemning them for not celebrating Native American culture. Does this writer complain about the scarcity of Africans and Europeans in old Chinese art?

56 posted on 12/28/2006 12:16:51 PM PST by Dumb_Ox (http://kevinjjones.blogspot.com)
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To: kawaii
Well, his ideological descendants did steal the Crescent blazon from the Eastern Roman Empire, but that Crescent itself was probably taken from the Zoroastrian Sassanids whom the Eastern Romans fought and sometimes defeated.
57 posted on 12/28/2006 12:19:15 PM PST by wideawake (1)
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To: Uncle Chip

there are two separate english words derived from adorare worship and adore. if the latins who wrote it meant the other theydve used it. note btw many men adore their wife few pray to her.

further its not possible muslims worship God as they deny the trinity.


58 posted on 12/28/2006 12:21:17 PM PST by kawaii (Orthodox Christianity -- Proclaiming the Truth Since 33 A.D.)
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To: kawaii
further its not possible muslims worship God as they deny the trinity.

Jews deny the Trinity as well, but I do not doubt for an instant that Jews worship the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

59 posted on 12/28/2006 12:28:44 PM PST by wideawake (1)
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To: Alex Murphy
Educated believers are demanding more variety, having more doubts and reworking religion to fit their own mores, lifestyles and cultures. Religion without penance -- no hair shirts, no self-flagellation? No wonder the Pope is worried.

The writer is an imbecile.

The Pope's worry, is that of a father who is not long for this world and who sees his children walking inexorably towards a precipice.

It is not the worry of a CEO who's concerned about the market for his product and ultimately, his own job security.

IOW, his worry is for others, not for himself.

60 posted on 12/28/2006 12:34:03 PM PST by marshmallow
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