Posted on 12/04/2006 7:52:47 PM PST by Pyro7480
Yes we do.In the above, I would say that the one child God feeds IS His child, but the other 4 are not His children.
Wow, and yet He created them! That's like saying God has 'illegitimate' children that He wants nothing to do with! (I know that's what the Reformed believe)
Who gave them life?
In the above, I would say that the one child God feeds IS His child, but the other 4 are not His children
Why not? No one but God created them. No one but God gave them life. And now he doesn't want them? What message does that send?
Out of the five, God loves the one child who is truly His
And HE decided whop will be His and who won't, correct?
The other children are not His responsibility
He created them!
God accepts the "responsibility" of Fatherhood for those who actually are His children, not everybody
All mankind are His creation. Man was made in His image and Likeness.
Indeed. What makes you think he was right removing the Deuterocanonicals then?
To: 1000 silverlings; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; Forest Keeper; Quix
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on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost
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Of course. The Church ministers to the Gentiles also. You did not know that?
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9,876 posted on 02/09/2007 4:48:21 PM MST by annalex To 9836
I replied:
I assume you knew about gentiles being outside the RC edifice--and still born again authentic Believers--part of CHRIST'S CHURCH UNIVERSAL?
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9,891 posted on 02/09/2007 7:52:02 PM MST by Quix To 9876
It just seemed fitting . . . that given your response to silverlings . . . that someone should take care to be certain that you were aware
1. That not all the gentile authentic born again earnest Believers who's Lord is The Lord Jesus The Christ are within the Roman edifice.
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2. I'd assumed you knew that. But you took so much care to be certain that fingerlings knew such things--I thought someone ought to show similar caring toward you.
I hope it's clearer now. If not, please ask a differently worded question and perhaps I can rise better to the occasion the next try.
Blessings,
PING to my ref'd post.
I see. The Catholic teaching is that everyone properly baptized (once, with proper disposition of the sponsor, in the name of the Father, the son and the Holy Spirit, and with water touching the forehead) is Catholic at that point. Batpism does not have to be given by a priest.
The Protestants typically fall away form the Church as they do not partake of the sacraments and do not keep the commandments of the Church. Sadly, many of those baptized in the Catohlic Church and who call themselves Catholic fall away similarly.
The Church is always ready to receive her fallen away children. A fallen away Catholic needs a sacramental confession; adults who never knew the teachings of the Church has to participate in the Rites of Christian Initiation of adults.
In short, the perimeter of the Church is baptism.
Thank you so much for sharing that!
Thank you so much for your insights!
Ahhhh.
Thanks for the clarification.
Tolerable, I suppose. Though, personally, given the root meaning of the word for baptism . . .
I'm still an immersion guy, myself.
Call no man your father.
Christ->Holy Spirit->Truth->Scripture.
Sorry, that is not what it says. Interpreting scripture is not distorting scripture.
Just like the rest of us.
Col. Mustard?
Lol. I think totaled up it's something like 2,270,369, and that's just in the bible up to Acts.
lol
Uh, no, just the opposite. We're making the point that because something is free, it cannot be bought.
There is no need whatsoever to call it free, or a gift. In fact, it's just plain wrong and misleading.
God's grace is the predestined mercy He has chosen to bestow upon some men through the sacrifice of His Son. If you think it is wrong to call grace a "gift," then your argument is, again, with Paul.
"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." -- Ephesians 2:8-9
"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." -- Isaiah 45:7
Mathew 20:28
Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
Mr 10:45
For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
He killed most of them He said, because their hearts were evil and they did evil all the day long. Actually there's no telling how many perished in the flood or how many will perish in the future if they don't repent of their evil.
That sounds very Gnostic. Knowing good and striving to do it.
It's the formation of conscience. Dunno about the gnostic view, but I don't think it violates Christianity. On the contrary it is: "the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness."
Sin isn't a state that one is in and out of. It is a condition.
It's also an action. This is the sense of the word I was using.
Clearly non-saved Christians can do good things.
I think that's a 'yes' of what I was so ineptly trying to ask.
However, note their condition…
I wasn't referring to their sum or condition or salvation, just whether only non-saved Christians could choose to do good.
thanks very much for your reply. I feel like I overly drew out the discussion and took more of you time than necessary by not communicating as clearly as I needed to. For that, my apologies..
But as I understand it, as a practical matter you all pray for intercession on an everyday basis for all things down to the minutia. This does not appear to be what you are describing.
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