Posted on 12/04/2006 7:52:47 PM PST by Pyro7480
A woman and her three daughters in our Spirit-Filled church wore a covering on the back of their heads for a couple of years. She said God told her to do that as an act of submission. When He told her they could remove it, they did. I saw a lot of growth in her during that time.
ME EITHER!
OPINION is the problem with people who write books, whether it's church leaders and fathers or other layfolk. That's why I try to stick to what the Bible says. I do read other books for sure and enjoy them, but they aren't scripture!
To Bible believing protestants,the teachings on faith and morals are also the same. Catholics don't have the last say on that point.
Amen, and we're ALL saints when we do!
annalex, I really, really hope you begin to read what scripture has to say about all this. Priests and Popes are only human and they are NOT infallible. They have no right to decide who is in purgatory or who is in heaven. Only God has that right.
Maybe I could be sick that day, or have to work or somethin'.
Indeed, as do the consequences of sin. They live with us forever as well (or at least it SEEMS like forever--LOL).
Dr. E, it's all ado about NOTHING. Yawn.
HEY! He told ME and you and I need to talk (smile).
No. God does not kill people. He does foreknow it. Incidentally, doesn't the Presbyterian church believe in infant baptism?
2 Thessalonians is about the truth being proclaimed by tradition, which is both by word of mouth and by the scripture. In other words, Truth -> Scripture. The relationship between Chruch and Truth is in 1 Timothy 3:15, as well as in several chapters from John.
What? "Good works" as defined above?
No, I was referring to conscience - law written in our hearts - love, and a choice to do good based on love.
God shows no partiality and all have sinned.
I think we might agree that not all sin all the time. My question doesn't require partiality, just whether someone other than a saved Christian could choose to do a single good thing. To be clear, I'm not talking about the sum total here or their salvation.
OTHO, if you means can non-Christians do works that glorify God, sure. Joseph's brothers did a very "evil" thing…
No, not a choice to do evil, a choice to do good. Is it your view that a non-saved Christian is incapable of make a single good choice?
And who will keep it clean, FK? Big houses are a big problem (LOL). mxxx
Sorry, should have pinged you to 9873 above as well.
Of course. The Church ministers to the Gentiles also. You did not know that?
God sends, but St. Peter preaches and prays.
Sometimes I just cannot believe the stuff I read on this forum!
I don't suppose you've read Genesis chapter 7?
Or maybe this verse:
(Luke 12:5 KJV) But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.
I think you can see me daily on this thread. Many, and I'd say most substantive posts of mine argue from scripture. I am well aware of what the scripture has to say on the subjects I speak about.
Priests and Popes are only human and they are NOT infallible.
Human they are. Infallible is the Church as a whole:
I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.(Matthew 16:18)
Peter and his successors are infalible when they speak for the Church:
31 And the Lord said: Simon, Simon, behold Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: 32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and thou, being once converted, confirm thy brethren.(Luke 22)
They have no right to decide who is in purgatory or who is in heaven.
Christ said Peter can:
19 And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.(Matthew 16)
LOL! I see. Should we just leave it to yet another mystery then? :) My suppositions are only based on what God DOES tell us in scripture. Elementary reason is also used. For example, I said: "Yes, from GOD'S POV I would say the elect are saved before they are created." This is based on simple Biblical principles. God is sovereign. God is omniscient. God predestinates the saved. If you believe the Bible provides for all of these, then it is easy to suppose that the elect are, for all intents and purposes, saved from the beginning. It is God's POV because of His omniscience and sovereignty.
Second, even if one were to admit 'double predestination' as a correct description of God's foreknowledge, the doctrine is corrosive of good morals, ascetic discipline, prayer, and all other aspects of the Christian life.
Would you care to say how? :)
To call His foreknowledge, 'predestination' makes God a tyrant, the author of damnation which is, in fact, freely chosen by the damned. To tell people that they are already 'predestined' to salvation or damnation creates fatalism and spiritual sloth.
I'm not following you at all. First of all, Reformers do not call God's foreknowledge "predestination". In fact, that is my understanding of the Catholic view, along with Arminian Protestants. Reformers, OTOH, say that predestination is based on specific action by God, wholly independent of His foreknowledge. Secondly, we Reformers don't tell anyone that he or she is predestined one way or the other. We can't know which for anyone other than ourselves. Therefore, we preach that ALL are potentially of the elect. This is what scripture teaches. In addition, Reformers do not teach any sort of "sloth". That is unbiblical. God tells us clearly in scripture what our work is to be about. That's what we teach.
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