Posted on 12/04/2006 7:52:47 PM PST by Pyro7480
On Wikipedia it pops up with Methodist. Scroll up to see "Reformed". I would agree with Sproul that righteousness is a forensic declaration.
Oh, ok. I might check it out but Wiki is tricky and quite frequently sicky
OK, just did a speed read. That was posted by a protestant and it is written as though their brand spanking new idea was orthodox. So, they contrast the Catholic response to it etc
Free will must necessarily turn to God's knowledge. God's omniscience is no way out of the dilemma. You will only affirm that God knew everything before He acted, or you will deny that God is omniscient.
The way out is to trust God.
Study to show yourself approved, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the Word of Truth.
Work out your own salvation with fear and tremblings.
Any idea out of whose mouth came those lines?
Thank you. That is testimony that we have common ground.
If it is a mere word, perhaps not, as Christ looks into your heart rather than reads the transcript. But in a broader sense, yes, each mortal sin condemns to hell.
Half the time I have to spend trying to figure out if what I'm being told is correct Catholic doctrine
Very good. Too many Catholics do not know their own doctrine. However, your statement I objected to referred to a very basic doctrine.
Does God give the seed of faith to everyone?
The capacity to love and know God is given everyone as part of natural law "written in the hearts" of all men. To have a better formed faith requires a church life, generally speaking.
Repeatig it does not make it true. Scripture please. Last time you tried, you failed.
Repeatig it does not make it true. Scripture please. Last time you tried, you failed.
Very good advice, and thank you for picking up on the Eucharist as works nonsense.
Ignorant, maybe, but not "simply ignorant". Thanks to iconoclast Protestantism our culture is severely impoverished. A healthy culture would have crucifixions and marian shrines at every bus stop. We don't -- but Christian heart still longs for them and find them in the strangest of places.
Of course, and in this spirit understand that the incessant attack on the false doctrine of Sola Scriptura that I and others wage in no way is meant to take away form what the Holy Scripture really is: the divinely inspired, inerrant Word of God, eminently suited to resolve arguments, and a primary necessity for faith formation.
A myth based on sub-incompetent etymology.
The word caelebs is Latin, and not Phrygian nor Greek.
The goddess called "Cybele" by the Greeks was known by the name "Agdystis" and sometimes identified with their goddess Rhea. The name "Cybele" did not come into common usage until about 200 BC.
The worship of Cybele was unknown to the Romans until the late Republican period, centuries after the Latin language was standardized.
And caelebs means "one who is not married", not "one is is ritually castrated."
You have no way of knowing whether these texts should have been included or not. The ONLY way you know they ought to have been included is because the Catholic Church - not you, not scripture itself - made the authoritative decision. The only way you know the texts not included ought not have been included is solely because of the Catholic Church
"The problem I see with this argument is with the fundamental disagreements that arise in the Church. For example, take the fillique of the Nicene Creed. Orthodox and Catholics both have different interpretations. If the Church had the capability to recognize Truth, wouldn't one side or the other recognize their error?"
One side did recognize the error...to an extent it contributed to the Great Schism. The other side relatively recently, in their own particular style, seems to have recognized it too! :)
"That being said, if the scriptures lay forth the criteria of a bishop, and the Church recognizes the scriptures as Truth, then doesn't it follow that the criteria of a bishop as set forth in Paul's writing is what God wants?"
Not necessarily at all. I think what it does say is that there likely isn't any "theological" problem with bishops being the husband of one wife. The Church determined that for the good order of The Church, bishops should be monastics. That isn't something that is against God's Law, its just different from Paul's idea of discipline. There really isn't much more to it than that.
"What was accepted and lived out by The Church 600 years ago, in some cases, isn't what is accepted and lived out by The Church today. The Orthodox would simply shrug their shoulders and say, "It wasn't inspired"."
I wouldn't go that far. Disciplinary canons are a good example. Among the canons of several ancient local councils there were disciplines forbidding having a Jewish doctor or traveling in public conveyances with Jews. When they were enacted they were followed. The Church, under the inspiration of the HS determined that these rules were for the good order of The Church. Times changed and the reasons for those canons changed with the times. They became unnecessary. Its not that they weren't inspired; they were but they applied only to a certain time. Dogmas are an entirely different thing. Certain Robber Councils or False Councils proclaimed certain things as dogma. Very, very quickly it became apparent that the people of God, bishops and clergy wouldn't accept them as dogma and thus they were abrogated. They were not inspired of God. The anathemas against icons are an example as are the anathemas against those who say Mary was not ever sinless. The people know what is Orthodox and what is not.
You just HAD to bold it, didn't you. :) Well, I remember that was one of my first COE classes, and unlike most of the rest of the students in class, I didn't just open up a newspaper! LOL! So, at least I've learned SOMETHING. :) Thanks again for the link. I really did find much to agree with.
"+Athanasius:] ... He, indeed, assumed humanity that we might become God.
You just HAD to bold it, didn't you. :)"
Well, of course; its the whole point of the treatise; indeed it is the whole point of the Incarnation because that, my brother, is what we were originally created for, in the imgae and LIKENESS of God! :)
"My original autographed Scofield KJV with original notes in Aramaic updated through the various councils and thoroughly re-annointed at the last Council of Aaaragh says he was "full of faith and power"."
Big deal! I have MY original copy of the NT in the original Greek signed by +John Chrysostomos (actually, it says "Johnny Christopoulos", but its in Greek and you guys can't read Greek so...oops!). :)
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