Posted on 12/04/2006 7:52:47 PM PST by Pyro7480
Short answer: the respect in which God is one is not the respect in which He is three. He is one in being (contra polytheism), but three in hypostasis (contra Sabellianism).
-A8
James is called the Lord's Brother. Jude is James' brother.
It is not strange at all. It follows the pattern of humility that James took. James is called the Lord's brother, but doesn't call himself the Lord's Brother. Look at the introductions to the two books. Same pattern with Jude.
James 1:1
James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, To the twelve tribes scattered among the nations: Greetings.
Jude 1:1
Jude, a servant of Jesus Christ and a brother of James, To those who have been called, who are loved by God the Father and kept by Jesus Christ:
Nice theological answer, but not what I'm looking for. I'm looking at A8 and asking A8 to explain the mechanics of how God can be three and yet is one. Don't use the big theological terms. Just explain it in "plain English."
Yeah. This is exactly the impression I am getting. I am still a couple days behind the conversation, but this is all I have so far. I really hope there is something more.
-A8
-A8
I know the terms. I have a theological education. But I'm asking you as a person to explain it. Should be pretty simple if it is so clear. Why do you believe that God is 3 in one? How do you KNOW this to be true?
I am in the process of answering right now.
Moreover, James declares himself a "slave" of Jesus Christ, but makes no mention of being His brother or about being a son of the Blessed Mother. Jude also says he is a slave and the brother of James.
The Lord NEVER violated Judaic law. On the Cross, He entrusted His Mother to John, had there been brothers this would have violated the law.
Which law?
The people surrounding Jesus feared for their lives. They ran and abandoned Christ. They thought they would be next. I believe James, Jude, Simon, Joseph and others all abandoned Christ in His time of need. Peter certainly did. All the Apostles ran. Mary did not run. John was there. Mary was alone at the foot of the cross and her other children were in hiding. Jesus entrusted Mary to the one who did not abandon him. Jesus saw those who followed him as his true mother and brothers and sisters. He gave John the responsibility of caring for Mary. John was Christ's brother in spirit. The others were as of yet unconverted.
Are you going to answer my question in "plain English". It is not that I didn't understand your earlier answer. I just want to read in your own words an explanation of the trinity without the theological jargon. Why do you, A8, believe in the trinity?
I have no idea what you are talking about.
Yes, His disciples abandoned Him.
His close relatives (cousins) never believed Him, but they didn't abandon Him because they were never with Him. NOWHERE does it say that Mary's "other children" were hiding, because there weren't any.
Nothing you say indicates that Jesus had any brothers or else Mary would have been entrusted to them.
Should we not remember Mary for her faith?
She was meant to be remembered as the one who gave birth to our Incarnated Lord and Savior, to be the bearer of God, Christ, our Lord and God. It is an awesome task that she was given. Being faithful is not all of it.
When you above refer to "unholy things" I can only assume you mean the proposition that Joseph "USED" her as a sex object and baby-making factory
Yes you do assume a lot. If she had other children, most of them were "unholy," and even if James and Jude were saints, are they on the par of our Lord? Your sense of "holiness" beffudels me.
Mark 6:3
"Where did this man get these things?" they asked. "What's this wisdom that has been given him, that he even does miracles! Isn't this the carpenter? Isn't this Mary's son and the brother of James, Joseph, Judas and Simon? Aren't his sisters here with us?" And they took offense at him.
Galatians 1:19
I saw none of the other apostles—only James, the Lord's brother.
Acts 1:12-14
12Then they returned to Jerusalem from the hill called the Mount of Olives, a Sabbath day's walk[a] from the city. 13When they arrived, they went upstairs to the room where they were staying. Those present were Peter, John, James and Andrew; Philip and Thomas, Bartholomew and Matthew; James son of Alphaeus and Simon the Zealot, and Judas son of James. 14They all joined together constantly in prayer, along with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brothers.
The Catholic/Orthodox never said He was God because of Mary! Your reasoning is off the target, imo.
God the Word was God before He was Incarnate, after He was Incarnate and after He was born. Mary carried the Incarnate God in her womb and gave birth to God the Incarnate Word Who was named Jesus. That makes her the God-bearer (Theotokos), the Mother of God.
Don't ask questions you can't answer yourself.
That's all well and good, but Jews of the time were identified as "son of" not brother of. There is no doubt in my mind that these others were close to the Lord growing up, it is very possible that they were raised by the Holy Family and were referred to as brothers. But the fact still remains that they are not identified as the children of Mary because that is untrue. If they were, Jesus would not have had the option of leaving His Mother in the care of John.
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LOL!
I can answer it. A8 so far hasn't done so. And I wasn't speaking with you on this matter Kosta50. But since you butted in, wanna venture a try? Why do you believe in the doctrine of the Trinity?
Well stated, thanks for your answer.
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