Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

'The Nativity Story' Movie Problematic for Catholics, "Unsuitable" for Young Children
LifeSiteNews.com ^ | 12/4/2006 | John-Henry Westen

Posted on 12/04/2006 7:52:47 PM PST by Pyro7480

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 13,001-13,02013,021-13,04013,041-13,060 ... 16,241-16,256 next last
To: Kolokotronis; Quix; annalex; .30Carbine; betty boop; hosepipe; kosta50
If I had fear of demonic possession (which I don’t) – it would be tantamount to telling God I do not believe Him or that I do not trust Him.

Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou [art] with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me. – Psalms 23:4

My Father, which gave [them] me, is greater than all; and no [man] is able to pluck [them] out of my Father's hand. – John 10:29

For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. – Romans 8:38-39

Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. – James 4:2

For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day. – 2 Tim 1:12

[Let your] conversation [be] without covetousness; [and be] content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. – Hebrews 13:5

Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world – 1 John 4:4

There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. – 1 John 4:18

The only way a demon could enter me while I am abiding in Christ and Christ in me - is for the demon to enter Him as well. (John 15) In other words, as long as we are in Him and He is in us --- there is nothing that can happen in our lives unless either God wills it or God permits it.

However, it is possible to quench the Spirit (I Th 5:19) and therefore, we must choose to walk in His Light (1 John 1:7) to follow Him (Romans 8) to believe Him. We become at risk the very moment we fail to believe God.

The flight of the Israelis is an example. There they were, standing next to the Red Sea, quaking in fear of the mighty Egyptians who were pursuing them – even though God had just performed ten mighty miracles in having them released. They didn’t trust Him. Again, despite all that He had done in caring for them in their journey – the scouts returning from the promised land – all except for Caleb – quaked in fear of the occupants and their fear spread throughout the camp. They didn’t trust God and thus every single one of them died in the wilderness save Caleb and Joshua.

If we believe any thing or any one – our own senses and reasoning included - over Him, we will sink – or worse:

And he said, Come. And when Peter was come down out of the ship, he walked on the water, to go to Jesus. But when he saw the wind boisterous, he was afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried, saying, Lord, save me. – Matt 14:29-30

For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses. But with whom was he grieved forty years? [was it] not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness? And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not? So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief. – Hebrews 3:16-19

Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. – Heb 4:11

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. – Rev 21:8

I assert that as long as we believe God we have no reason to fear man or demon or anything.

And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. - Matt 10:28

My two cents...

13,021 posted on 04/18/2007 10:24:11 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13005 | View Replies]

To: kosta50; wmfights; annalex; HarleyD; Forest Keeper; Quix; Kolokotronis; Dr. Eckleburg

“The realm of God”

I think you have what the meaning of the word is in the context of Eph. 1:20.


13,022 posted on 04/18/2007 10:31:12 AM PDT by blue-duncan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13015 | View Replies]

To: Alamo-Girl
[ If I had fear of demonic possession (which I don’t) – it would be tantamount to telling God I do not believe Him or that I do not trust Him. ]

Alas, Some children of God do fear the monster under the bed, in a closet or as shadows on the walls..

13,023 posted on 04/18/2007 12:16:51 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13021 | View Replies]

To: Alamo-Girl
If I had fear of demonic possession (which I don’t) – it would be tantamount to telling God I do not believe Him or that I do not trust Him.

Such things can be the result of a lack of faith, it would indeed be to question your faith (or at least to acknowledge it was failable) keeping in mind even peter denied Christ 3 times.
13,024 posted on 04/18/2007 12:31:04 PM PDT by kawaii (Orthodox Christianity -- Proclaiming the Truth Since 33 A.D.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13021 | View Replies]

To: hosepipe
So very true.

Thank God for giving us the time and the circumstances in this life - whether hungry lions, dark imaginings of demons under the bed, empty bellies, false prophets, opportunities to witness or demonstrate love of God and neighbor etc.

Praise God because all of these things teach us to trust Him!

Count it all joy.

[And pray to learn the lessons quickly (LOL!)]

13,025 posted on 04/18/2007 12:38:49 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13023 | View Replies]

To: kawaii
Such things can be the result of a lack of faith, it would indeed be to question your faith (or at least to acknowledge it was failable) keeping in mind even peter denied Christ 3 times.

Many or perhaps most people feel closer to God when they are in dire straits or have been humiliated (like Peter.) Those bumps along the way can help us learn to believe Him and to trust Him.

13,026 posted on 04/18/2007 12:45:52 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13024 | View Replies]

To: Alamo-Girl

i feel pretty close with God in the eucharist.


13,027 posted on 04/18/2007 1:06:09 PM PDT by kawaii (Orthodox Christianity -- Proclaiming the Truth Since 33 A.D.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13026 | View Replies]

To: Alamo-Girl

LoL... ;)


13,028 posted on 04/18/2007 1:18:55 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13025 | View Replies]

To: Alamo-Girl; Kolokotronis; Quix; annalex; .30Carbine; betty boop; hosepipe
If I had fear of demonic possession (which I don’t) – it would be tantamount to telling God I do not believe Him or that I do not trust Him

Hardly, A-G. It would mean that our faith makes us righteous, blameless and sinless, immune to any temptation. It would mean we are as perfect as He is, for only He could not be tempted by the devil.

Spiritual pride is a dangerous delusion. Apostle Paul warns [my ephases]:


13,029 posted on 04/18/2007 1:51:58 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13021 | View Replies]

To: annalex; blue-duncan; wmfights; HarleyD; Forest Keeper; Quix; Kolokotronis; Dr. Eckleburg
For what it’s worth, Kosta, the Hebrew for “sky” or “heaven” is a singular that has a plural form, “shamaim”, which might be influencing St. Paul’s wording. We see it reflected in English “heavens”. I would not read polilocation into it But "polilocation" is compatible with the the Real Presence. In fact, it's the only way it can "make any sense."
13,030 posted on 04/18/2007 1:57:56 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13019 | View Replies]

To: kosta50

I don’t know how to handle this in the religion forum where it belongs. It’s from a thread in News/Activism:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1819478/posts?page=52#52

But, kosta50, what’s your perspective on such as this:

“They said, ‘What do you mean that you’ve accepted Christ – you mean you don’t believe in our gods [Catholic saints]?’” Mendez told Compass. “And I said, ‘Well, those were just apostles, and now I belong to Christ.’”

The town leaders threatened to jail Mendez, and the following day they summoned him again after consulting with villagers, including other catechists. Mendez verified to them that he had heard the gospel in another community and now wanted to become part of an Alas de Aguila (Eagle’s Wings) church in Pasté, he said.

Home Burned, Family Tortured
Vasquez, whose church has grown to 60 to 80 mainly Tzotzil- or Tzeltal-speaking people since he began it in 1996, is no stranger to area persecution from traditionalist Catholics.

In 1998, local political bosses (caciques) put him in jail for 24 hours without food. In 2000, he was released from jail only after the intervention of Chiapas Religious Affairs officials – who promptly demanded that he contribute to and participate in the traditionalist Catholic religious festivals, which the pastor said amounted to a denial of his faith.

“An attorney from the government told me, ‘You know what? I’m a Christian, but you have to do what we say,’” Pastor Vasquez recalled. “And I told her, ‘As an authority you cannot obligate me to deny my faith, because, as you know very well, that goes against the constitution. Secondly, as a Christian, you cannot obligate me to deny my faith and all the things that my faith requires.’ So she was left something ashamed.”

The state religious affairs ministry had more success forcing his congregation to commit to participating in the traditionalist Catholic rites, which bring caciques not only festival fees but alcohol sales income. The congregation subsequently abandoned him, Pastor Vasquez said.

“They said to me, ‘You like to get into trouble, and we don’t want trouble, so we’ve signed the agreement with the government,’” Pastor Vasquez said. He was going to leave the area, but he said God told him two things: “Cowards flee,” and “Cowards have no part in me.”

Hence he signed the government agreement, which allowed him to continue preaching as long as he contributed to and participated in the traditionalist Catholic festivals – something “very painful,” he said. The church grew so much, however, that by August 20, 2000, the caciques again jailed him, his father and his two brothers – and burned down his house.

I’m incredulous.


13,031 posted on 04/18/2007 2:02:25 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13029 | View Replies]

To: annalex; wmfights; blue-duncan; HarleyD; Forest Keeper; Quix; Kolokotronis; Dr. Eckleburg
Let this bother the sola scriptura superstitionists. The entire Trinitarian dogma is not to be found in the New Testament alone, strictly speaking

That's obvious.

The Creed is a precise expression of the Christian faith

No argument there.

13,032 posted on 04/18/2007 2:03:38 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13011 | View Replies]

To: Quix; kosta50
A disciple asks how we should pray. The Lord gives us ONE EXAMPLE. That's all that happened. There's nothing to suggest that the ONE EXAMPLE included all God thought, felt, desired in terms of prayer.

Yes, this is exactly right. The NT is clear that while the Lord's Prayer is ALWAYS right and proper, in no way are these the only words God is interested in hearing in prayer. For example:

1 John 5:13-15 : 13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life. 14 This is the confidence we have in approaching God: that if we ask anything according to his will, he hears us. 15 And if we know that he hears us — whatever we ask — we know that we have what we asked of him.

This necessarily expands the parameters of approved prayer beyond the four corners of the Lord's Prayer.

13,033 posted on 04/18/2007 2:38:09 PM PDT by Forest Keeper
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12325 | View Replies]

To: Forest Keeper

INDEED.

Thanks thanks.


13,034 posted on 04/18/2007 4:21:54 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13033 | View Replies]

To: Alamo-Girl; kosta50; hosepipe; Quix; kawaii

“dark imaginings of demons under the bed,....”

AG, do you think that demons are “dark imaginings” under the bed?


13,035 posted on 04/18/2007 6:28:13 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13025 | View Replies]

To: Kolokotronis; Alamo-Girl
[... do you think that demons are “dark imaginings” under the bed? ..]

Don't lose the context.. else dark imaginings may trick you..

13,036 posted on 04/18/2007 6:34:22 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13035 | View Replies]

To: hosepipe; Alamo-Girl; Quix; kosta50; kawaii

“Don’t lose the context.. else dark imaginings may trick you...”

My people haven’t “lost the context”, hp, for the past 17-1800 years. We’ve been what you might call consistent in our beliefs.

Do you think demons are “dark imaginings, hp?


13,037 posted on 04/18/2007 6:51:38 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13036 | View Replies]

To: Kolokotronis; Alamo-Girl
[.. Do you think demons are “dark imaginings ..]

I don't know much about demons, if demons exist at all..
Spirits/spirits could cause imaginings both dark and/or light.. to a human or each other..

The Spiritual Dimension could be and probably is more real this/these dimensions..
Little creepy spiritual beings I don't know about..

My sense is humans are(would be) more creepy to spiritual beings than they are to us..
Could be we know they are real "BY" imaginings.. both corrupt and perverse and high and utopian..

The Bible is a book of imaginings.. Jesus metaphors/parables are imaginings in essence..

Its possible demons are creatures and not the imaginings themselves.. I don't care either way.. To me its the imaginings I see.. and deal with.. both good and bad..

Good question actually..

13,038 posted on 04/18/2007 7:34:48 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13037 | View Replies]

To: kawaii
Praise God!!!
13,039 posted on 04/18/2007 7:49:00 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13027 | View Replies]

To: kosta50; hosepipe; Kolokotronis
I fail to see where believing God, trusting Him, counting on Him has anything to do with spiritual pride - or any kind of pride. Seems to me it requires complete devotion - humility - choosing God's will over self-will, the polar opposite of pride.
13,040 posted on 04/18/2007 7:51:29 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13029 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 13,001-13,02013,021-13,04013,041-13,060 ... 16,241-16,256 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson