Posted on 12/04/2006 7:52:47 PM PST by Pyro7480
As I've said above, GOD'S NATURE IS UNCHANGEABLE. His NATURE and what HE DOES are NOT IDENTICAL constructs, sets, realities.
Is God not Justice? Is God not Truth? Is God not all that is Divine? Is God not Love? Can any of these "change?"
GOD'S NATURE IS UNCHANGEABLE. His NATURE and what HE DOES are NOT IDENTICAL constructs, sets, realities.
So what does God change into? What does Justice morph into? What does Divinity become? And Love?
GOD'S NATURE does not change. Therefore, nonsensical questions about HIs Nature are . . . welllllll, rather NONsensical.
It is shackeling God with anthropomorphic terms that places Him into a human-sized box. The Age of reason did that very well, when it humanized God and deified man. Western legacy.
It is, inmho, OUTRAGEOUSLY and insultingl of God to characterize His UNCHANGEABLENESS
God will NOT fit in such a tiny anthromorphized box--regarding His changless NATURE; regarding His changless DYNAMIC Nature nor any other aspect of His 'BEING.'
Which, to me, includes that GOD WILL FOREVER BE CREATIVE as that is part of His UNCHANGEABLE NATURE.
Indeed, it seems likely that He has created us to be forever creative, as well--made in His image . . . etc.
Don't tell anyone, but I agree with you.
Oh, dear! Prepare for the virtual tomatoes and eggs. Keeping company with me on any such postulations is tantamount to excommunication in some quarters. LOL.
Thanks for your kind words.
Love your posts. Blessings to you and yours on The Lord’s Day and the coming week.
The universe appears to be expanding but then it all goes back to 100 point of view. From the earthly vista, Potlemaic navigational system, based on heliocentric assumptions, still works (because science doesn't discover the truth, but creates working models). And from a position on earth, his observations and assumptions appear valid. Just as Newtonian physics work on earth but breakd down in space.
We are traveling at about 1,000 miles/hr through "space" and would never know it. But we are really not going anywhere because we are spinning in circles, literally speaking!
In fact, the entire universe seems to be going around in circles, leaving evidence of cooling at the completion of each round!
Of course not. What He does is create. That's not the same as change. He doesn't change His plan. He doesn't change His mind (although the Bible contradicts on that one aspect precisely because of anthropomorphic concepts used). What God makes God doesn't change.
I think you’re dodging the points.
In any case . . .
BEHOLD ALL THINGS BECOME NEW.
. . . A NEW HEAVEN AND A NEW EARTH.
But perfect comes from Latin, and in Latin it means complete/finished. Unfortunately, English borrows foreign words but not the meaning. In English it is a label. In liturgical languages it has a meaning.
In litrugical languages (Hebrew, koine Greek, Latin and Church Slavonic) the word "perfect" means complete or finished. This is one of those reasons why the Bible must be read in those liturgical languages in order to be fully understood.
IIRC, back at whatever post, you seemed to very emphatically insist that
GOD DID NOT CHANGE AND AT A CERTAIN POINT IN THE FUTURE, NEITHER WOULD ANY OF HIS CREATION.
I’m asserting that
GOD’S NATURE IS DYNAMIC, CREATIVE CHANGE of His CreationS and His relationship with particularly SPECIAL COMPONENTS of said CREATION(S)
BEHOLD, I MAKE ALL THINGS NEW.
Seems to be a chronic hobby of His.
New hearts;
New RESURRECTED LIVES;
NEW HEAVENS
NEW EARTH(S)
. . .
NEW
I hope you are sitting down: I agree! :)
Sorry, I find that assertion to be more than a bit of the sort of perspective and attitude that I experience as haughty, pontifical, eccleastical, intellectual hogwash. I can agree that extensive knowledge of said languages and cultures can ENHANCE one's understanding of Scripture written originally in such languages. But essential is a stretch, to me. Holy Spirit is able to enlighten. AND, A GOOD MODERN TRANSLATION includes such meanings and shades of meanings--particularly a collection of such quality translations.
AMPLIFIED I COR 13:
10But when the complete and perfect (total) comes, the incomplete and imperfect will vanish away (become antiquated, void, and superseded).
Oh dear. Good thing I was sitting down.
Please check your temp and vital signs!
LUB,
Take for instance Hebrews Chapter 8. His Covenant with the people of Israel was made imperfect (corrupt) by the Israelites, so instaed of re-making or fixing it, he promises a new one after He has wiped off (not fixed) their transgressions.
That is a different story, Quix. Most people don't read Amplified Bible. But I agree that such amplified text can avoid many pitfalls ordinary readings can lead to.
So . . . is it a semantics problem between us?
Heading for bed shortly.
A Blessed Sunday to you and yours and the week following.
I am not sure why I am not comfortable with the word dimension.. and sometimes use the word paradigm or realm.. but I am not comfortable with it..
Could be because the 1st, 2nd dimension do not exist.. only the 3rd dimension exists.. and I suspect the 4th does not exist either since time exists in the 3rd dimension..
Could also be a lack in me, in my vista of observations.. That has happened before on some items of thought.. Actually I am not real comfortable trying to concieve of higher dimensions.. I feel it could be impossible to do that except as a cartoon of the reality of it in this paradigm..
I am comfortable that the world I live in is a world of flesh and material energy.. and God the Angels and my spirit eventually will live in the Spiritual World/dimension and both paradigm's operate concurrently.. More than that I percieve that, that, is what the bible says too.. besides the warm fuzzy feeling it gives me.. ;)
Thank you, hosepipe...
But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.
~1 Corinthians 2:10-16
At any rate, we must remember that we are the new Israel, not the new Athens.
That would be too simple, Q. The issues are more than semantics and you know that.
A Blessed Sunday to you and yours too.
But if we had a nuclear holocaust and only some children of afar off island in the Pacific survived, "time" would cease to exist as none of them would know how old they are, what year it is, or even what day it is. They would only know day and night. Until they invented time and started counting. But the universe would continue in spite of their ignorance and in spite of no one counting time.
Of course time would continue to exist, ... for the islanders would age (as would the rest of the universe), ... which is an effect of time.
Unless, of course, you are also of the viewpoint that a tree falling in the forest doesn't make a sound ... unless someone is there to hear it.
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