Posted on 12/04/2006 7:52:47 PM PST by Pyro7480
No, I go directly to the source. No middle men.
Let's take a jaunt down memory lane. ;-)
While I think you can make the case that Roman Catholicism became the de facto state religion with Constantine opening the council of Nicea, (determining who could attend and paying to have them there) the moment I believe that Roman Catholicism became the state religion was when Ambrose excommunicated Theodosius for conducting reprisals against the citizens of Thessalonica, who had murdered a barbarian army commander. Theodosius was only readmitted after doing public pennance. It was after this that the legal code began to be used to eliminate the role of the pagans.
Ambrose is an interesting study because so much happened during the time he was Bishop of Milan (373-97). He came from the ruling class and was transformed from being a layman, not baptized, into a bishop within 8 days. He is also the bishop that baptized Augustine
He insisted that the phrase "consubstantial with the father" be inserted AND HE WASN'T EVEN A CHRISTIAN!
He arranged and paid for those he wanted to attend.
Not really a glorious moment in our history. A select group of Christians were being used for the political purpose of unifying a pagan emperor's kingdom.
And, btw, as is often pointed out Ginger Rogers was a much better tap dancer than Fred Astair simply because she did the same steps only in heels.
I would fear for Harley's very soul if he made such a blasphemous error. Thankfully, I know Harley has read and understood the Bible and God's admonition not to pray to anyone other than the Triune God of creation.
He burneth part thereof in the fire; with part thereof he eateth flesh; he roasteth roast, and is satisfied: yea, he warmeth himself, and saith, Aha, I am warm, I have seen the fire: And the residue thereof he maketh a god, even his graven image: he falleth down unto it, and worshippeth it, and prayeth unto it, and saith, Deliver me; for thou art my god. They have not known nor understood: for he hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see; and their hearts, that they cannot understand. And none considereth in his heart, neither is there knowledge nor understanding to say, I have burned part of it in the fire; yea, also I have baked bread upon the coals thereof; I have roasted flesh, and eaten it: and shall I make the residue thereof an abomination? shall I fall down to the stock of a tree? 20 He feedeth on ashes: a deceived heart hath turned him aside, that he cannot deliver his soul, nor say, Is there not a lie in my right hand?" -- Isaiah 44:15-20"Then shall it be for a man to burn: for he will take thereof, and warm himself; yea, he kindleth it, and baketh bread; yea, he maketh a god, and worshippeth it; he maketh it a graven image, and falleth down thereto.
Sure that's why the council of Nicea was stacked by those opposed to Arianism.
Indeed because it wasn't some show orchestrated by Constantine but a Council convened by the church.
Protestant propaganda is laughable when one actually does the reaserch.
I'm sure there's a handful of impressionable 13 year old who'd buy this nonsense at some 'bible study' but the facts are Constantine never made any tate religions, wasn't baptised till his deathbed, and held arian views up till then. He deffered to the church to do what it liked, and the 'great contribution' he made? He made a big speech that folks shouldn't resort to violence over religious differences.
The fact that you'd fear for his soul is alone worth a prayer.
I gather you were there to observe Constantine personally?
. . . given the emphatic nature of your comment . . . Oh, right, knee-jerk SOP.
it's called history. you should try it.
beats random conjecture and rumors every time.
Harley crabby?
Nawwwwwwww. It's against his religion.
Or was that a doctrine of his faith.
I forget.
Because Mary is a type of the Church.
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Only "a type" of the church?
Perhaps you could explain why there's such a persistent impression that for sooooo many folks of such persuasions,
she constitutes the sum total of the church and certainly all the parts and aspects they care to pay attention to and make a fuss over.
Perhaps you noticed . . . none of the apologists for nonsense treated that post of mine (11,574) like anything other than a hot potato to be left totally alone! LOL.
I guess we could call it SELECTIVE PERCEPTION!
Or Selective Rationalization.
personally I don't know a single Orthodox person or hierarch who does not believe in the bodily Assumption of the Theotokos into heaven after her death.
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Sorry Kolo, but I'm shocked at the nonsense that the more TRADITIONAL AND TRADITION BOUND sects come up with. That's just incredible. Hard to fathom. Except that I'm keenly aware of the heart of man as well as group forces.
At least 2-3 times folks tried to tie Christ back to his "family obligations" vis a vis Mary, particularly.
EACH AND EVERY TIME RECORDED HE ESSENTIALLY GENTLY REBUKED THE WHOLE IDEA AND INSTEAD DIRECTED PEOPLE TO HEARING AND DOING THE WILL OF THE FATHER.
Clearly, millions of people have been exceedingly misled on that score.
I prefer my histories as distortion free as possible.
considering 1 corinthians 15 (not to mention oh i dunno the ten commandments, and the clear context of the situation)understanding this to be a ban on the world father is at best illogical
then try looking at actual artifacts rather than silly stories passed around at bible camp which have never had any historical basis
personally i view your posts generally as uninformed rambling and repeating of baseless accusations and a cry for attention not as potatoes.
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