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Which One God ? ( Comparing the Christian and Muslim Conceptions of God ).
National Review ^ | 12/04/2006 | Bat Yeor

Posted on 12/04/2006 10:22:38 AM PST by SirLinksalot

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To: rovenstinez

Christ did not call out to Allah. What he said was
"Eloi Eloi Lama Sabachthani" which means My God, My God why has hast Thou forsaken me.


21 posted on 12/04/2006 11:08:11 AM PST by BMC1 (11/7/06 THE DAY WE LOST THE WAR. TERRORISTS AND THE TERRORIST LOVING DEMONCRATS ARE NOW IN CONTROL.)
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To: zimdog
Sounds like Christians' attitude towards Jews from the 4th through mid-20th century.

Not true. Christians kept the Old Testament as part of the Holy Scriptures. And the Christian religion came from the Jews. First Christians were Jews who believed that Messiah came. Non Jews became Christians later.

Not so with Islam. Islam was founded outside of Church and Synagogue, was not based on Jewish or Christian writings - instead made false claims about them.

22 posted on 12/04/2006 11:10:57 AM PST by A. Pole (Dzerzhinsky: There are no innocent people.There are only such who weren't examined in the proper way)
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To: rovenstinez
I've been told that in the Gospels, when JEsus was praying on the cross, it is translated in the Arabic versions that he called out to Allah.

Actually, the best explanation I have heard for Jesus's exclamation on the Cross is referential. If I were to say to you, "Four score and seven years ago", you would understand I was talking about The Gettysburg Address.

Here is the opening of Psalm 22: "My God, my God, why have You forsaken me?". I would argue that Jesus is pointing those around Him to this Psalm (known as the Suffering Servant Psalm) to help them understand what they are witnessing. Although it begins in agony, the Psalm ends in triumph.

23 posted on 12/04/2006 11:11:27 AM PST by pgyanke (Gay marriage does to real marriage what counterfeit money does to real money. - Hemogoblin)
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To: BMC1

The Aramaic "el" and Arabic "ilah" share a proto-Semetic root mean small-g god. "Allah" is a contraction of "al-ilah", and means "the [one] God." Any decent Arabic-language Bible will use "Allah" for "God." As you have shown, "Allah" is much closer to the term that Jesus used for His Father than the Germanic "God".


24 posted on 12/04/2006 11:14:02 AM PST by zimdog
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To: Squidpup
The only similarity is that Mohammad did some creative coping of the Christian Bible. He twisted the Christian Bible to make it into something the Arabs could claim as their own.
25 posted on 12/04/2006 11:15:17 AM PST by BMC1 (11/7/06 THE DAY WE LOST THE WAR. TERRORISTS AND THE TERRORIST LOVING DEMONCRATS ARE NOW IN CONTROL.)
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To: A. Pole

From Constantine through Jews who refused to accept Jesus were frequently considered to be in open defiance of Christ for refusing to accept him as Messiah like the early Christians did.


26 posted on 12/04/2006 11:17:04 AM PST by zimdog
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To: pgyanke

I thought that when Jesus cried out "My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken me", was when God turned his back on Christ because Christ had taken on the sins of the world and God will not condone sin.


27 posted on 12/04/2006 11:17:05 AM PST by fish hawk
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To: BMC1

Allah, Elohim, Eli, Eloah, Ilah etc ... are Semitic words with the same root. They all mean God or Divinity.


28 posted on 12/04/2006 11:18:11 AM PST by A. Pole (Dzerzhinsky: There are no innocent people.There are only such who weren't examined in the proper way)
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To: pgyanke

Interesting. I never realized that.


29 posted on 12/04/2006 11:18:13 AM PST by zimdog
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To: zimdog

Judaism of today is not the faith and practice of the OT.
Judaism of today has characteristicts of paganism.


30 posted on 12/04/2006 11:19:46 AM PST by fox martyr son
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To: zimdog
Jews who refused to accept Jesus were frequently considered to be in open defiance of Christ for refusing to accept him as Messiah

Well, isn't it what they/you do? :)

31 posted on 12/04/2006 11:20:04 AM PST by A. Pole (Dzerzhinsky: There are no innocent people.There are only such who weren't examined in the proper way)
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To: A. Pole

Yes they are Semitic words, but they are pronounced differently depending where you came from. That does not mean Christ said Allah or that he meant an Islamic god.


32 posted on 12/04/2006 11:20:49 AM PST by BMC1 (11/7/06 THE DAY WE LOST THE WAR. TERRORISTS AND THE TERRORIST LOVING DEMONCRATS ARE NOW IN CONTROL.)
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To: fox martyr son
Judaism of today has characteristic ts of paganism.

Especially Reformed Jews. They and Unitarians go along very well.

33 posted on 12/04/2006 11:22:15 AM PST by A. Pole (Dzerzhinsky: There are no innocent people.There are only such who weren't examined in the proper way)
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To: fish hawk

I see it as a teaching moment. Read Psalm 22 and imagine Jesus preaching it from the Cross about what He was doing and what was to come... I believe He did that with the breath He had left.


34 posted on 12/04/2006 11:24:10 AM PST by pgyanke (Gay marriage does to real marriage what counterfeit money does to real money. - Hemogoblin)
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To: fox martyr son
Judaism of today has characteristicts of paganism.

Such as?

35 posted on 12/04/2006 11:25:16 AM PST by Risha (Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God)
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To: BMC1
Yes they are Semitic words, but they are pronounced differently depending where you came from. That does not mean Christ said Allah or that he meant an Islamic god.

There is either One God or there isn't. There is no such thing as "an Islamic god" any more than there is "a Jewish god" or "a Christian god". Such relativist language subverts the very concept of monotheism.

36 posted on 12/04/2006 11:26:08 AM PST by zimdog
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To: A. Pole
Well, isn't it what they/you do? :)

It's less of "open defiance" (and pogroms) these days. ;)

37 posted on 12/04/2006 11:27:24 AM PST by zimdog
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To: BMC1
Yes they are Semitic words, but they are pronounced differently depending where you came from.

Yes, but even in the modern Arabic you pronounce the words differently, depending on which country you are from. So the Arab from Algeria might need to right the words down in order to be understood by Arab from Iraq.

In Semitic languages vowels are especially fluid, the consonants tend to be more stable and usually they are written down.

38 posted on 12/04/2006 11:28:16 AM PST by A. Pole (Dzerzhinsky: There are no innocent people.There are only such who weren't examined in the proper way)
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To: Risha

In paganism, gods are local.
A geographic locality, an ethnic locality, national locality, etc.
The god of today's ethnic Jews has these characteristics.
The Lord Jesus Christ is the Jehovah of the OT; ethnic Jews today call him a liar; therefore they do not worship Jehovah.
Their Jehovah is one conjured up after the crucifixion and the splitting of the veil which lead to the Holy of Holies.


39 posted on 12/04/2006 11:30:12 AM PST by fox martyr son
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To: zimdog

Not it is not Relativist. There is only ONE GOD, however, Islam twists and changes God from a loving and forgiving God to a hateful god. They are using this twisted belief to say others who do not believe in their version of god is wrong.


40 posted on 12/04/2006 11:31:58 AM PST by BMC1 (11/7/06 THE DAY WE LOST THE WAR. TERRORISTS AND THE TERRORIST LOVING DEMONCRATS ARE NOW IN CONTROL.)
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