Posted on 12/04/2006 10:22:38 AM PST by SirLinksalot
Christ did not call out to Allah. What he said was
"Eloi Eloi Lama Sabachthani" which means My God, My God why has hast Thou forsaken me.
Not true. Christians kept the Old Testament as part of the Holy Scriptures. And the Christian religion came from the Jews. First Christians were Jews who believed that Messiah came. Non Jews became Christians later.
Not so with Islam. Islam was founded outside of Church and Synagogue, was not based on Jewish or Christian writings - instead made false claims about them.
Actually, the best explanation I have heard for Jesus's exclamation on the Cross is referential. If I were to say to you, "Four score and seven years ago", you would understand I was talking about The Gettysburg Address.
Here is the opening of Psalm 22: "My God, my God, why have You forsaken me?". I would argue that Jesus is pointing those around Him to this Psalm (known as the Suffering Servant Psalm) to help them understand what they are witnessing. Although it begins in agony, the Psalm ends in triumph.
The Aramaic "el" and Arabic "ilah" share a proto-Semetic root mean small-g god. "Allah" is a contraction of "al-ilah", and means "the [one] God." Any decent Arabic-language Bible will use "Allah" for "God." As you have shown, "Allah" is much closer to the term that Jesus used for His Father than the Germanic "God".
From Constantine through Jews who refused to accept Jesus were frequently considered to be in open defiance of Christ for refusing to accept him as Messiah like the early Christians did.
I thought that when Jesus cried out "My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken me", was when God turned his back on Christ because Christ had taken on the sins of the world and God will not condone sin.
Allah, Elohim, Eli, Eloah, Ilah etc ... are Semitic words with the same root. They all mean God or Divinity.
Interesting. I never realized that.
Judaism of today is not the faith and practice of the OT.
Judaism of today has characteristicts of paganism.
Well, isn't it what they/you do? :)
Yes they are Semitic words, but they are pronounced differently depending where you came from. That does not mean Christ said Allah or that he meant an Islamic god.
Especially Reformed Jews. They and Unitarians go along very well.
I see it as a teaching moment. Read Psalm 22 and imagine Jesus preaching it from the Cross about what He was doing and what was to come... I believe He did that with the breath He had left.
Such as?
There is either One God or there isn't. There is no such thing as "an Islamic god" any more than there is "a Jewish god" or "a Christian god". Such relativist language subverts the very concept of monotheism.
It's less of "open defiance" (and pogroms) these days. ;)
Yes, but even in the modern Arabic you pronounce the words differently, depending on which country you are from. So the Arab from Algeria might need to right the words down in order to be understood by Arab from Iraq.
In Semitic languages vowels are especially fluid, the consonants tend to be more stable and usually they are written down.
In paganism, gods are local.
A geographic locality, an ethnic locality, national locality, etc.
The god of today's ethnic Jews has these characteristics.
The Lord Jesus Christ is the Jehovah of the OT; ethnic Jews today call him a liar; therefore they do not worship Jehovah.
Their Jehovah is one conjured up after the crucifixion and the splitting of the veil which lead to the Holy of Holies.
Not it is not Relativist. There is only ONE GOD, however, Islam twists and changes God from a loving and forgiving God to a hateful god. They are using this twisted belief to say others who do not believe in their version of god is wrong.
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