Peter & Succession (Understanding the Church Today)

Ignatius Insight ^ | 2005 | Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger

[Quix]

Not my reality.

I'm too concerned trying to be Christ-like.

[adiaireton8]

I don't consider myself all that anointed currently.

So it comes in degrees?

-A8

[Quix]

Now, now.

Showing off your Holy Spirit wisdom will only get you more assaults! LOL.

[Religion Moderator]

For a post to be "making it personal" it must be addressing an individual Freeper not a collective on or off the forum (e.g. Calvinists), confessions, academically "anyone who believes A", etc.

However, if the only contribution a poster makes is to troll threads dissing a particular belief - they may be suspended or banned as a trouble-maker.

[wagglebee]

Then why do you reject His Church?

[Quix]

I defer to greater experts on such than I. Perhaps they are patterned after the great circular dome in St Peter's?

I thought the graffiti on the other side of all the beautiful mosaics on the dome to be very funny.

[wagglebee]

I presume you are referring to the passages from the Gospel of Saint Matthew?

[adiaireton8]

Thanks. I wasn't asking for any intervention on your part. I can handle stuff like that. :-) I was just asking Quix to try not to be rude, for my sake. Comparing a person to a computer chip is just not conducive to a productive conversation.

(I'm not claiming that everything I say is always conducive to productive conversations!)

-A8

[Religion Moderator]

his publications are the source of a lot of antit-Catholic rhetoric.

That is true and that is why the "open threads" are helpful in undoing the misinformation spread by such hate-mongering organizations. But if you spot any Jack Chick material being quoted around here, ping me and I will remove it.

[Quix]

I think it's well known and understood that the computer chip analogy was a GENERIC ANALOGY.

All of us have greater or lesser understandings about this or that specific about Christianity. I normally don't consider that a big deal.

Oh, I have the capacity to stamp my feet, throw dust in the air and MAKE A BIG DEAL about all kinds of things in Christianity and all kinds of 'angels dancing on pin-head' issues. Doesn't seem fruitful to me.

I haven't been overwhelmingly aware of word choices or attitudes which connoted to me an earnest desire to understand my position.

I may not be wise. But I wasn't born yesterday, either.

[Quix]

I wasn't aware that my many words on the topic were that obscure. Perhaps prayerfully reading them again will increase understanding.

[Quix]

I hardly reject The Church Universal at all. Am blessed and humbled to be a part of it.

Of course, I'm well aware that HIS CHURCH is larger than ANY humanly structured hierarchical Christian organization, sect, denomination.

LARGER THAN ANY.

[Quix]

Now I'm lost. I have no idea what the point is.

[proud_2_B_texasgal]

It would be an insult to His Precious Blood to return to asking Moses to speak to God because we were afraid to COMMUNE HEART TO HEART; SPIRIT TO SPIRIT; MIND TO MIND WITH GOD DIRECTLY--WHO DWELLS WITHIN US.

Yes, quix, It seems Jesus spent His ministry trying to show people that it's not about RELIGION. It's not about whether you can heal on sunday or not, or whether you're circumcised or not, or how well you can uphold the law. It was about a RELATIONSHIP with HIM. A real, daily, one-on-one relationship, spirit to Spirit, with the One who paid the price, and paid DEARLY. Man, if more people could just BEGIN to wrap around exactly what He did, and what it means for believers, and what He can do THROUGH US (if we'd just let Him), this old world wouldn't, no COULDN'T be the same!

[wagglebee]

Okay, I understand now. My use of the term "Chick-like" was in reference to such terms as "Roman sect." Now it is true that some on this thread have talked about "Protestant sects" that does not refer to one specific groups, but many; I never see anyone using derogatory terms like "Luther's sect" or "Calvin's sect" (granted, it occurs with Islam, but I don't think it would be allowed on a religion thread). So, I guess my question is why is it okay to use hate terms when referring to Catholics, but I never see similar terms describing Lutherans, Presbyterians, Baptists, ect.?

[wagglebee]

Of course, I'm well aware that HIS CHURCH is larger than ANY humanly structured hierarchical Christian organization,

That's why Christ himself structured it by appointing St. Peter and his successors.

[Quix]

ABSOLUTELY!

STRONGLY agree.

Thanks, Sister.

BTW, I was born near Lubbock.

[wagglebee]

You were speaking of the writings you saw in the St. Peter's Basilica.

[technochick99]

Just because I use JC how does that mean I don't mean it a holy and respectful way? Because you say so?

It's an interpretation guided by the Holy Spirit, at least in my case.

[adiaireton8]

I haven't been overwhelmingly aware of word choices or attitudes which connoted to me an earnest desire to understand my position.

That's not thinking the best of me. Insofar as I understand your position, it seems gnostic to me. I have explained why I think that, back in post 797.

You think that "God tends to lift the anointing and give it to someone else". I explained (in 797) that one implication of your position is that we cannot determine who has the anointing, and therefore who are the rightful leaders in the Church. You don't agree that your position has this implication. But you cannot explain (at least so far as I have been able to tell) how we can determine who has the anointing. As best as I can tell, you determine who has the anointing by seeing who agrees with you (and your interpretation of Scripture). For if two people each claiming to have the anointing disagreed with each other, how else would you adjudicate between them?

-A8