Posted on 10/21/2006 4:52:03 AM PDT by NYer
That's usually meant as a demeaning, insulting, assaultive attack on Pentecostals.
I don't think the above is new information.
Actually, that group or groups . . . comprise an incredibly small percentage of Pentecostals. Should we ascribe to all of the Roman Believers things extremely smalll splinter groups within the Roman hierarchy outrageously do?
I suspect some of us would disagree.
I agree that the priestly role of the presbyters is not laid out clearly in the NT. But if you study early Church history, you see that these 'presbyters' were the priests.
Remember that in the original Last Supper, the drinkers all "passed the cup" one to another. This specifically recognizes Jesus as our singular High Priests, while all the rest of us priests are peers at the foot of both the cross and the throne.
Remember who was passing the cup: Apostles. We are not Apostles. Did you baptize yourself?
-A8
-A8
I don't think we use the term 'Pope of Rome'. We believe Peter to be the first Bishop of Rome, which is the Office of the Pope. The early Church Fathers considered Rome to have primacy.
I didn't think I stuttered in the above. FOLKS WHO LIVE AND WALK AS THE ABOVE ARE IN ALL THE REMOTELY BIBLICAL CHRISTIAN ORGANIZATIONS. I've met a number of Roman Believers who fit such criteria. But most believer in most to virtually all Christian organizations DO NOT MEET SUCH CRITERIA BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT WILLING TO PAY THE PRICE in the way they live.
Amen, quix, and isn't it amazing that in our inferior minds, and with whatever intellect we have, it becomes virtually impossible to explain the annointing to someone who has never experienced it or walked in it?
Interestingly enough, my husband was from a church that didn't believe in the gifts of the spirit and he didn't even know what the annointing was. Well, ya know, when he began to pray, repent, obey and ask God for HIS best and HIS will, not only did my husband become a changed man, he began to see and understand that God's Best (and certainly His Annointing)is NOT kept in that tight little box that his former church was putting God in.
Through this process, I, too grew and learned that there ARE people in all remotely Christian orgainizations, that when walking as you stated above, can live a life that is spirit-led and recognize the annointing when it comes and when it departs.
The Holy Spirit is so very much alive and when Jesus left us with the promice of a Comforter, He wasn't talking about some far off mist that was somehow watching over us. He is alive and active and can be a part of your everyday, or should I say THE BIGGEST PART of your everyday life, if you are willing to lay it all down for the Lord.
I've known and know quite a number of anointed folks.
It's quite conceivable that lots of Roman brothers and sisters hereon do as well.
So Catholics are going to hell?
The early Church Fathers considered Rome to have primacy.
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I think that would depend on which early Church Father was under discussion . . . and then it would depend on in what context and over what issue(s).
But Angel-Gal is the early church father in my network. Perhaps she will correct me.
But Angel-Gal is the early church father in my network. Perhaps she will correct me.
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ERRRRR, She is the early church father EXPERT in my network! LOL.
Just thought it was worth repeating.. *g*
How do you know that they are anointed?
-A8
Which early Church Fathers do you think rejected the primacy of Rome?
-A8
If we use the meaning of “anointed” as one chosen of God (in contrast to being sprinkled with oil/perfume by other men) - in other words, specially blessed by Him, I’d like to offer my mother as an example of an anointed one.
We all have the grace of faith, but she was given the gift of faith. When she prayed, she simply laid her burdens at the Cross, believed Him and never picked them up again. And miracles happened all the time in her life.
Examples of anointed ones in Scripture: Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Moses, David, Solomon, John, Paul
INDEED! Very well put. For some reason, perhaps Christ's analogy between marriage and His Love for The Church Universal . . . it might be somewhat like trying to describe the joyous intimacy of marital relations to a computer chip. Doesn't compute. Not enough information. No experience.
Interestingly enough, my husband was from a church that didn't believe in the gifts of the spirit and he didn't even know what the annointing was. Well, ya know, when he began to pray, repent, obey and ask God for HIS best and HIS will, not only did my husband become a changed man, he began to see and understand that God's Best (and certainly His Annointing)is NOT kept in that tight little box that his former church was putting God in.
INDEED! PRAISE GOD! INDEED! INDEED!
Through this process, I, too grew and learned that there ARE people in all remotely Christian orgainizations, that when walking as you stated above, can live a life that is spirit-led and recognize the annointing when it comes and when it departs.
PRAISE GOD FOR YOUR KIND CONFIRMATION! YEA GOD!
The Holy Spirit is so very much alive and when Jesus left us with the promice of a Comforter, He wasn't talking about some far off mist that was somehow watching over us. He is alive and active and can be a part of your everyday, or should I say THE BIGGEST PART of your everyday life, if you are willing to lay it all down for the Lord.
INDEED! PRAISE GOD FOR HIS FAITHFULNESS!
LUB,
It isn't fear, but a concern for souls.
I assume you are talking about me. How do you know that I have never "experienced [the anointing] or walked in it"?
-A8
The earliest believers centered on Jerusalem as the "seat" for guidance - as we saw when Paul and Barnabas returned to Jerusalem to clear up a doctrinal dispute among the Gentiles.
Later notables in the church centered on Rome as the "seat" for guidance. Many since the sixteenth century considered no geographic location as a "seat" at all. And in these last days, some are reconsidering Jerusalem as the center.
Scripturally speaking it is impossible to argue against Jerusalem. Historically speaking it is impossible to argue against Rome.
And both, btw, are noted for seven hills which is not only curious but appears in Revelation as a significant location for end time prophesy. (I'm thinking it is Jerusalem, btw.)
Spiritually speaking it makes no difference at all.
Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth. - John 4:19-24
I wasn't aware that my prose above was that obscure or obtuse.
Perhaps my cohorts can help out.
PING TO THE END TIMES/DREAMS/VISIONS/PROPHECY PING LIST:
Can Anyone put the anointing stuff any better than I have in posts:
#'s 795; 798; 804 !!; 843 !!; ??? PLEASE DO, IF SO!
And for the fourth time (maybe the fifth, I'm losing track) you are unable or unwilling to cite any discrepancies.
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