Peter & Succession (Understanding the Church Today)

Ignatius Insight ^ | 2005 | Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger

[marajade]

"At the time Christ said that to Peter, Peter was a Christian."

Your post 305.

[Petronski]

Yep.

[Zuriel]

**I believe JC died for my sins. I profess faith in JC. I believe the scripture in John 3:16.**

John 3:16 is a summation of what the Lord had just DETAILED to Nicodemas in verses 3-15.

"..Except a man be born of the water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.....Ye must be born again. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou HEARSET the SOUND thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh or whither it goeth: so is EVERY ONE that is born of the Spirit." Three places in ACTS (Chapters 2,10, and 19), souls spoke in tongues when filled with the Holy Ghost. Another in Acts 8 showed a sorcerer offering money to the apostles for the power to give people the Holy Ghost, so remarkable was the sight and sound that was obviously present.

[NYer]

Perhaps something like that sort of case MIGHT be made for Peter's FAITH.

Yeah ... it's there. Just read through the posts for the links.

[marajade]

You can think it means anything you want. Thankfully, you aren't the judge.

[FJ290]

I have a serious question for you and RC historians here. What happened to papal lineage, when the nasty Pope(s) who practiced Satan worship (Black Sabbath, etc.) and other depravity was extant, and then afterwards?

That's not a serious question. That's a load of anti-Catholic calumny. Get back with me when you really do have a serious one.

[FJ290]

Really. I'm not here on the thread calling anyone but Catholics are of the devil.

Tell that to the Religion Moderator then.

[adiaireton8]

I believe JC died for my sins. I profess faith in JC. I believe the scripture in John 3:16. Do you?

Yes.

-A8

[unspun]

That's not a serious question. That's a load of anti-Catholic calumny. Get back with me when you really do have a serious one.

Oh, come on. It is not. I love R. Catholics. I've worked with RC's are friends of mine, though I'm just a roamin' catholic.

I really want to know. How is the concept of papal succession dealt with in RC thought, when confronted with this historical fact? Did they just try to do better the next time? That's not such a bad answer after all; I believe in elections! ;-)

[Petronski]

She made that claim, but would not point out where it happened.

[Petronski]

...with this historical fact?

Which historical fact?

[unspun]

Which historical fact?

At least one Pope practicing (or at least being a party to) the black sabbath practice used in Satan worship. Wasn't it one of the Leo's?

[FJ290]

You can think it means anything you want. Thankfully, you aren't the judge.

NO, but the Bible you CLAIM to uphold can be used to judge your actions:

The Holy Name of Jesus Christ is NOT JC. It's a very holy name to be revered and every knee shall bow at that name. NOT JC.

[FJ290]

Hey, don't come in here spouting your historical "facts."

Put up some proof for your claims.

[marajade]

I was questioning anybody's truthfullness, including myself and the Pope. Gotta problem with it?

[Petronski]

You haven't demonstrated any such allegation as "fact."

[marajade]

Just because I use JC how does that mean I don't mean it a holy and respectful way? Because you say so?

[Petronski]

You made a very specific claim but wouldn't prove it, now you're backing away from it.


So, would you like to prove it, or disavow it? Any other choice means you have lied (again).

[FJ290]

She made that claim, but would not point out where it happened.

Typical. But she did say it as evidenced from her post #319. Got that all Catholics on FR? She thinks we are all of the devil, but she doesn't want anyone "judging" her on calling our Lord Jesus Christ JC!

[Petronski]

I thought she was talking about Johnny Cash.