Mohammed's Koran -- Jesus' New Testament

[Meletus]

Mohammed’s Koran 2:190-191 “Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight and persecute you, but commit no aggression ... and slay them when and where you get the better of them” 2:193 “Fight them until persecution is no more and religion is for Allah.” 2:216 “Fighting has been ordained for you.” 2:244 “Fight in the cause of Allah.” 3:12 “Say to those who disbelieve, “You shall soon be overcome and gathered together to be driven towards hell.” 3:32: “Allah does not love the disbelievers.” 3:141 “And ... Allah will wipe off the disbelievers gradually.” 3:148 “Lord grant us victory over the disbelieving people.” 3:151-152 “We shall certainly strike terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved. .. and certainly Allah had made good his promise to you when you were slaying them to pieces by his permission.” 4:74 “Let those who would prefer the hereafter to the present life, fight in the cause of Allah.” 4:76 “Fight against the friends of satan.” 4:77 “Fighting has been made binding” 4:84 “Urge on the faithful to fight.” 4:89 “If they turn back, then capture them and kill them wherever you find them, and do not take anyone of them as a friend or as a helper.” 4:91 “it is these [unbelievers] against whom we have given absolute authority.” 4:95 “Allah has indeed granted eminence to those who strive in his cause over those who stay at home.” 4:104 “Do not be slack in pursuing these disbelieving people.” 5:33 “The only recompense of those who make war against Allah and his messenger and who strive hard to create disorder in the land, is that they be executed or crucified to death, or that their hands or feet be cut off, or they be exiled.” 5:38 “As for the thief, both male and female, cut off their hands.” 8:12-13 “I will indeed strike terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. So smite on your enemy’s necks and above these on their heads and strike off all their fingertips. This punishment is given them because they opposed Allah and his Messenger, and whosoever opposes Allah, for him, Allah is severe in punishment.” 8:60 Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies of Allah and your enemies, ... 8:66 if there are a hundred of you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred, and if a thousand, they will vanquish two thousand. 8:67 It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. 8:74 Those who believe, and adopt exile, and fight for the Faith, in the cause of Allah as well as those who give (them) asylum and aid,- these are (all) in very truth the Believers: for them is the forgiveness of sins and a provision most generous. 9:5 slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush 9:12-14 But if they ... taunt you for your Faith,- fight ye the chiefs of Unfaith: ... that thus they may be restrained. What! will you not fight a people who broke their oaths and aimed at the expulsion of the Messenger, and they attacked you first... . fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace, and assist you against them 9:29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth 9:73 O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination. 9:86 When a chapter is revealed, enjoining them to believe in Allah and to strive and fight along with His Messenger, those with wealth and influence among them ask thee for exemption, and say: “Leave us (behind): we would be with those who sit (at home).” ... 88 But the messenger and those who believe with him strive with their wealth and their lives. 9:123 O ye who believe! fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him). 13:41 See they not that We gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? 15:4 Never did we destroy a population that had not a term decreed and assigned beforehand. 5 No people can hasten on their doom nor can they postpone (it).

Jesus’ New Testament Matthew 5:7 “Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy. Matthew 5:9 “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. 1 Peter 3:9 Do not return evil for evil or reviling for reviling; but on the contrary bless, for to this you have been called, that you may obtain a blessing. Matthew 5:43-45 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. Matthew 5:38-39 “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, Do not resist one who is evil. But if any one strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also; 1 Thessalonians 5:15 See that none of you repays evil for evil, but always seek to do good to one another and to all. 1 Peter 2:20-23 For what credit is it, if when you do wrong and are beaten for it you take it patiently? But if when you do right and suffer for it you take it patiently, you have God’s approval. For to this you have been called, because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps. He committed no sin; no guile was found on his lips. When he was reviled, he did not revile in return; when he suffered, he did not threaten; but he trusted to him who judges justly. Luke 6:27-29 “But I say to you that hear, Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you. To him who strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also; and from him who takes away your coat do not withhold even your shirt. Romans 12:17-21 Repay no one evil for evil, but take thought for what is noble in the sight of all. If possible, so far as it depends upon you, live peaceably with all. Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God; for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.” No, “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals upon his head.” Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good. Matthew 10:23 When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next; for truly, I say to you, you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel, before the Son of man comes. Romans 12:14 Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse them. 1 Corinthians 4:12 and we labor, working with our own hands. When reviled, we bless; when persecuted, we endure; 2 Corinthians 12:10 For the sake of Christ, then, I am content with weaknesses, insults, hardships, persecutions, and calamities; for when I am weak, then I am strong. 2 Timothy 3:12 Indeed all who desire to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, Mark 11:25 And whenever you stand praying, forgive, if you have anything against any one; so that your Father also who is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.” Luke 23:34 And Jesus said, “Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.” And they cast lots to divide his garments. Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, Hebrews 12:14 Strive for peace with all men, and for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord. Matthew 26:51-52 And behold, one of those who were with Jesus stretched out his hand and drew his sword, and struck the slave of the high priest, and cut off his ear. Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place; for all who take the sword will perish by the sword. Acts 7:59-60 And as they were stoning Stephen, …he knelt down and cried with a loud voice, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them.” John 18:36 Jesus answered, “My kingship is not of this world; if my kingship were of this world, my servants would fight, that I might not be handed over to the Jews; but my kingship is not from the world.” 1 Timothy 6:12 Fight the good fight of the faith; …. 2 Timothy 4:7 I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith.

[null and void]

Real Prophets climb mountains to be closer to God. They don't crawl into holes to hear the hissings of the Serpent.

[stm]

The Koran has one prophesy, that Mohammed will return to Mecca. Not that much of a biggie in the big scheme of things. The Bible, on the other hand, contains many thousands of prophecies. Nearly one-third of the Bible is directly or indirectly related to prophecy.

[The Cuban]

Stop your intolerance of the religion of peace! /sarcasm off

[Scutter]

Bookmark.

[top 2 toe red]

This would seem to indicate that whatever spirit visited Mohammed was satan or one of his demons, it WAS not an angel of the Lord.

I'll go a step farther...the more I see and learn of this wicked religion, I'm not sure that Mohammad was not Satan himself incarnate.

[ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton]

Indeed Mohammed's first impression was that this apparition was a demon or a geni.

It was his wife who convinced him otherwise and this took her a considerable amount of time to do.

[firebrand]

Excellent post, Meletus. And we all should probably remember Mother Teresa's words "Everything begins with prayer."

[null and void]

The Koran has one prophesy, that Mohammed will return to Mecca.

To paraphase another FReeper:

We will find out sooner or later
if Mohammad will return to a smoking crater...

[Michael Goldsberry]

Islam is basically a xerox of Judaism.

False.

Nowhere in the OT does it say to carry out war forever, or until all people are subjugated. It was always with a specific goal in mind, then it would stop.

[Meletus]

You said, "and yet... is the Torah any less violent?"

I don't accept that comparison--although it is obvious Mohammed liked the OT better than the NT.

[top 2 toe red]

Matthew 5:38-39 “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, Do not resist one who is evil. But if any one strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also;--"

yeah--practise that with Islam and you are dead---

Absolutely!

Turn your other cheek and you have just made it easier for them to carry out verse 47:4 of their Koran...

When you meet the unbelievers in the Jihad strike off their heads [CUT OFF THEIR HEADS] and, when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly."

[Bringbackthedraft]

"if any one strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also;--" Then if he strikes you again, kick him in the gonads. BBTD 8:20

[Screamname]

You should read a book called "War as I knew it" by Gen. George Patton. It`s a book based on his diaries and published a year after his death in 1945 (or as some may say, a year after he was called home by the Lord after fulfilling his destiny.)

In one of the first entries of the book, he writes from North Africa Nov 2, 1942:

"This mess is the best I have ever seen. I fear I shall get fat. I take lots of excersice each morning, including chinning myself and running in place four hundred and eighty steps (one quarter mile) in my cabin. In the morning, at battle stations, we put on rubber belts and tin hats, but as my battle station is my cabin, I don`t have to hurry. Then I go up on the flag bridge till it gets light and then have breakfast. Just finished reading the Koran - a good book and interesting.

Have been giving everyone a simplified directive of war. Use steamroller strategy; That is, make up your mind on course and direction of action, and stick to it. But in tactics, do not steamroller. Attack the weakness. Hold them by the nose and kick them by the pants."

Do you know why he admired the Koran? Because the Koran is a book of combat.

[Meletus]

"Turn the other cheek"

The NT does not teach the spread of the gospel by means of violence. But I don't think it is wholly passivist (Rom 13:1-7; Acts 25:11). Jesus' teachings were addressed primarily at a personal relationship level. The use of duly authorized police and military in a defensive sense are approved (Luke 3:14).

[x_plus_one]

It is also worth noting that when the "angel" visited Mohammed, Mohammed was afraid .....

Franklin Graham said it first and best: Allah is not the God of Moses since Allah had no son......

The good news is that Islam doesn't control earth's strategic real estate and never will. Neutralizing Islams big cheese imams will neutralize their entire population. It is the glorious plan of the chicoms to rule the remnant after we blow ourselves to kingdom come.

[Meletus]

"It's in the Koran"

That's great!