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Luther and Erasmus: The Controversy Concerning the Bondage of the Will
Protestant Reformed Theological Journal ^ | April 1999 | Garrett J. Eriks

Posted on 01/01/2006 4:48:03 PM PST by HarleyD

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To: annalex
address Mary by her numerous exalted titles, and place her firmly as our co-redeemer and chief dispencer of Christ's grace.

An honest catholic. :-)

5,721 posted on 05/05/2006 12:57:34 PM PDT by Full Court
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
2 Samuel 12:21-23

Charactristically for the wobbly edifice of Cavinism, the quote says nothing about the question of praying for the dead beside mentioning the question. Let alone the fact that the Old Testament cannot be used to elucidate this fundamentally post-Incarnation issue.

5,722 posted on 05/05/2006 1:02:22 PM PDT by annalex
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To: HarleyD
Got it.

No you did not. Apostolic succession has nothing to do with preaching, other than if you preach heresies like Luther, the validity of the ordination is not going to save you.

5,723 posted on 05/05/2006 1:05:25 PM PDT by annalex
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To: Full Court; annalex; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; blue-duncan
Jesus was once given the opportunity to elevate his mother and what he replied is this

Luke 11:27

And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.

11:28

But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

5,724 posted on 05/05/2006 1:08:26 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings
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To: annalex; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; Full Court
These three are a good material to shock and outrage a Protestant mariophobe

I don't know, I'm not so outraged as I am perplexed by it. Visiting Jewish websites though, you see this is one of the major issues that they have with some sects of Christianity, the worship of people, dead or living.

5,725 posted on 05/05/2006 1:12:23 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings
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To: 1000 silverlings

With "Yea" He confirmed the veneration of His mother and then He proceeded to urge us to become like her through obedience to the Word of God.

This passage is the scriptural basis of Marian devotion.


5,726 posted on 05/05/2006 1:19:02 PM PDT by annalex
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To: 1000 silverlings

Old Testament patriarchs have websites? What's the URL?


5,727 posted on 05/05/2006 1:19:56 PM PDT by annalex
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To: annalex
He said, Yea rather which is not yes and, but yes, but
5,728 posted on 05/05/2006 1:21:16 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings
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To: annalex

http://caveofmachpelah.com


5,729 posted on 05/05/2006 1:23:18 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings
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To: kosta50; jo kus
But those who "know" they have been "saved" are Catholic can go on sinning boldly -- they know God will forgive them anyway knowing they can have a "priest" absolve them.

Comfy, isn't it? I would say that it is the ultimate in a religion made for, and by men.

5,730 posted on 05/05/2006 1:25:12 PM PDT by Full Court
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To: 1000 silverlings

Indeed. The woman venerated Mary but got her accents wrong, on the merely physiological aspects of motherhood. But Mary is venerated for her obedience to God expressed in her "let it be onto me as God wills", and because of her motherhood being a type of the Christian Church where the Word is kept and protected.


5,731 posted on 05/05/2006 1:25:18 PM PDT by annalex
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To: 1000 silverlings

DNS error.


5,732 posted on 05/05/2006 1:26:06 PM PDT by annalex
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To: annalex; blue-duncan
We only know in the case of canonized saints because the Church, after rigorous examination of the record of their lives and the miracles they performed after death, guided by the Holy Ghost, reveals their status to us.

Sounds more like a glaring example of the "sin of presumption."

5,733 posted on 05/05/2006 1:26:30 PM PDT by Full Court
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To: annalex

Besides, no one is arguing that Mary wasn't blessed, after all she attained the desire of women. But to elevate her to co-redemptor and Queen of Heaven is a notion that perhaps well-meaning, but certainly misguided, humans have come up with.


5,734 posted on 05/05/2006 1:27:53 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings
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To: annalex
and we only know with certainty that the saints are in heaven.

So only saints are in Heaven?

5,735 posted on 05/05/2006 1:28:52 PM PDT by Full Court
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To: annalex

Oh, was the cave found empty? LOL


5,736 posted on 05/05/2006 1:29:10 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings
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To: Full Court

The Church is guarded from the sin of presumption because she has the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven, and the promise of Christ to defer to her judgement (Matthew 16). Ordinary Christians do not have that.


5,737 posted on 05/05/2006 1:30:46 PM PDT by annalex
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To: 1000 silverlings

Mary is described as Queen of Heaven in the Apocalypse, the chapter and verse escape me at the moment. Yes, Mariology overall is something built up on the scriptural foundation but not fully dictated by it.


5,738 posted on 05/05/2006 1:33:21 PM PDT by annalex
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To: annalex

You're thinking of the woman with the 12 stars about her head.


5,739 posted on 05/05/2006 1:34:37 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings
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To: Full Court
only saints are in Heaven?

We can be sure that canonized saints are in heaven, but we hope that many others are even though noit formally recognized as saints. A saint is one whose life record and miracles prove to be in heaven and whose life is an example for others to emulate. Someone who has led a mundane but righteous, faith-inspired life would be in heaven but as he is not likely to be an example for others, hje is not likely to be condsidered for canonization. Again, canonization is not a celestial phone book, -- it does not pretend to enumerate the denizens of heaven.

The early church would only canonize martyrs.

5,740 posted on 05/05/2006 1:40:39 PM PDT by annalex
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