Posted on 07/27/2005 1:05:40 PM PDT by GF.Regis
Thanks.
Think of "musical opinion" as a term VERY similar to "informed conscience" and you'll do just fine.
Consult with someone who is knowledgeable...they are all on the "response" line in this very post.
This Pope is trying hopefully to do the JOB he was chosen to do! SAVE SOULS not please the people,and their wims! It is a JOB noone would try to do but him I think today ,with modernism,lack of all virtues(whats that?) ,religious of every kind coming and going,Faith among Catholic twisted due to the Church Changes of Vatican ll,immorality amoung the priests,religious and people must come to a stop somewhere,hopefully BEFORE each SOUL reaches the Judgements of GOD..
Love and Knowledge of GOD and His Laws must come to each person as Christ intended when He Made St. Peter the First Pope and started HIS CHURCH. Africa Needs True Catholism,no know GOD ,to FEAR HELL ,not anything else! Wake Up!
It must all go back to tradition,this Pope has seen the time it was and the times it is..and he knows the JOB.
Way to go PYRO! now theres how the troops get their strength and protection! VIVA LAtin Tridentine MASS!
This Pope is trying hopefully to do the JOB he was chosen to do! SAVE SOULS not please the people,and their wims! It is a JOB noone would try to do but him I think today ,with modernism,lack of all virtues(whats that?) ,religious of every kind coming and going,Faith among Catholic twisted due to the Church Changes of Vatican ll,immorality amoung the priests,religious and people must come to a stop somewhere,hopefully BEFORE each SOUL reaches the Judgements of GOD..
love and Knowledge of GOD and His Laws must come to each person as Christ intended when He Made St. Peter the First Pope and started HIS CHURCH. Africa Needs True Catholism,TO know GOD ,to FEAR HELL ,not anything else! Wake Up!
Dear ninenot,
"On Eagle's Wings" isn't the worst of the new music, by a stretch. It's pretty inoffensive, with all that that implies.
My vote is let's go back to Gregorian chant for a hundred years or so (or at least until I'm dead), and then a future generation, that actually knows what Catholic music sounds like, can deal with the issue.
sitetest
So absolutely true! It is the Baby Boomer generation which changed the church. It is the new and younger generations which want the change back. They hunger for orthodoy. I am so excited for the younger generation. The generation that will take over the church.
I was at the National Catholic Family Conference in Anaheim, California this weekend. It was such a blessing to see the young men in the priesthood. They were, without exception, all very happy, joyous young men. Very happy to be priests. The Masses we went to were very reverent. So very, very refreshing.
"'On Eagle's Wings' isn't the worst of the new music, by a stretch. It's pretty inoffensive, with all that that implies."
Actually, when I think about it, applying my razor-sharp criteria for what constitutes "good" music (to wit: I like it or I don't) I think "Eagle's Wings" is the only modern hymn I like.
All of the other hymns and Christmas carols that I know by heart (Amazing Grace, Ave Maria, A Mighty Fortress, Jesu Joy of Man's Desiring, etc.) are really quite old.
We're always singing these "gifts of finest wheat, bread of life to eat" things at communion that are three-notes-up, three-notes-down, just like the Psalm is always sung in that "Gelineau Tone", which to me seems to mean "monotone with an up-note at the end".
Oh, ye of little faith....
"It's not the worst" is a description which is accurate.
So your daughter gets a marriage proposal from someone you'd describe as "not the worst..."--
I would expect that you'd react the same way I do about music for worship: "..not the worst!!!!!"
Best,
To be a little more accurate...
The ones who "changed" the Church and cringe at anything pre-Vatican II are predominantly made up of the following:
1.) Silent Generation & older Baby Boomer Clergy (born 1930 - 1950)
2.) Older Baby Boomer Laity (born 1940 - 1955)
The GI Generation was the most traditional at the time of the changes. Unfortunately, most of them are no longer with us, although they would have made up a significant part of those who would like the Tridentine Mass restored.
The Laity who are from the Silent Generation have been as a whole much more orthodox than their clerical peers. It was those laity in their 30's and older that preserved Tradition during the 60's. This same generation of laity gave birth to the first wave of Gen X'ers (born 1965 - 1975), who are now (at least the ones who have remained in the Church) the core of Orthodoxy for both priests and laity of that age.
The Tridentine/Conservative Coalition in the Church today is made up of predominantly the following:
1.) Clergy under the age of 40 and over the age of 75.These priests are still numerically weak compared to those of the Baby Boomer generation.
2.) Laity under the age of 50 and over the age of 65. The younger branch also tends to have large families.
I base all these on personal observations at several churches in different parts of the country.
I attend a Latin Mass here about once a month and I'm always thrilled to see that most of the congregation are young families...and the children are acting appropriately in church. Imagine that! If you visited my home parish you'd think that it was absolutely immpossible for a 5 or 6 year old to sit through Mass without eating cheerios and palying with a toy.
When I speak of private Masses during the Patristic period I do not mean that they were recited as todays Low Mass. Rather, I am referring to Masses other than the communal parochial Mass that were celebrated in private chapels for one reason or another. The Low or recited Mass was definitely a development from the Middle Ages.
"The Low or recited Mass was definitely a development from the Middle Ages."
Yes, that's rather what I thought too.
Would you not like to return to what things were like at an earlier age, before those pipe organs, pews, and parafin candles?
Dear ninenot,
I didn't say I liked the piece, nor that I favored playing it at Mass. I'm already on record: bring back Gregorian chant.
However, I prefer merely insipid to egregiously awful.
sitetest
Pews is a non-issue, since most Catholic churches outside of North America don't have them. Also, I was under the impression that candles for Mass had to be made of beeswax. Finally, I thought the organ wasn't supposed be played during the actual Mass, at least, not during the Canon of the Mass.
Yes and no. I like the pipe organ, when it is played by someone who knows how. The pews, a Protestant innovation, are here to stay like it or not. You can throw out the paraffin candles (too much smoke); I'll take bees' wax (much better smell). But please, let's keep central heating and air conditioning!
You are blaming "The Greatest Generation" ? ? ?
It was our parents' generation which was grumbling about the Church and demanding change.
OK.
Mere Insipidity...
There must be some English novel with that title...Waugh? Shelley?
The bishops in charge during Vat II were not baby boomers, neither were the SCOTUS judges in 1973 who invented Roe v. Wade. Nor were the politicians who passed the Great Society programs. Hmmm perhaps Brokaw lied when he coined that term....
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