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Crossing the Line?
Midwest Conservative Journal ^ | 7/16/2005 | Christopher Johnson

Posted on 07/17/2005 7:29:15 AM PDT by sionnsar

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1 posted on 07/17/2005 7:29:15 AM PDT by sionnsar
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To: ahadams2; Zero Sum; anselmcantuar; Agrarian; coffeecup; Paridel; keilimon; Hermann the Cherusker; ..
Traditional Anglican ping, continued in memory of its founder Arlin Adams.

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Speak the truth in love. Eph 4:15

2 posted on 07/17/2005 7:30:20 AM PDT by sionnsar (†† || Iran Azadi || Kyoto: Split Atoms, not Wood)
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+Smith may have miscalculated
Mark Marshall, 716/2005

It has now become clear Purple Mafia ECUSA Bishop Smith and friends have royally ticked off the wrong people, +Bob Duncan and Kendall Harmon for starters. Plus there has been a report that even the office of the Archbishop of Canterbury is on this.

In any case, +Smith’s actions combined with silence (or even support) from liberal Episcopalians may be pushing conservatives to go beyond playing by nice Anglican rules. Playing by the rules against people who submit to church authority only when it suits their ends has resulted in more outrage and persecution against the faithful. Liberals like +Smith won’t even listen to pleas from the Primates, including the Archbishop of Canterbury to lay off their attacks on the faith and on the faithful. Conservatives with any backbone have had enough of this.

So don’t be surprised if something big is about to happen, maybe even tomorrow, the first Sunday after the Purple Mafia takeover of St. John’s.

We’ll see.

3 posted on 07/17/2005 7:38:26 AM PDT by sionnsar (†† || Iran Azadi || Kyoto: Split Atoms, not Wood)
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"So don’t be surprised if something big is about to happen, maybe even tomorrow, the first Sunday after the Purple Mafia takeover of St. John’s."

Forgive me, but I will be terribly surprised if anything does happen. I've read the many articles on your ping list closely over the past several weeks (or is it months now). They make me mad.
I get madder and madder the more I read and the more I see faithful, simple orthodox catholic people, getting pushed around and pushed around and pushed around by an obviously evil set of leaders, who are obviously and flagrantly preaching strange doctrines which contradict not just, oh, 4000 years of Judaeo-Christian tradition, but the Bible itelf.
I see these people shoved out of their churches and complaining about it, rightly. But I see no shoving back. I see submission to a "rule of law" that has become quite lawless.

I open these articles and I get heartsick. Nobody will stand up to the evil and bar the door. If the "bishop" wants in, let him commit assault and battery to remove people from the door. If the STATE wants to get involved and actually have sherriffs come and physically remove people from a church...well...let them try. I think that were there to actually be defiance of the formal legal PAPERS presented to people who would not yield, that the "bishops" would have one hell of a time actually getting the agencies of the state to really use the police forces to PHYSICALLY remove the orthodox from their churches.

I keep waiting for Anglicans to get angry enough at the legalistic march of the Devil in a miter to simply break the formal law of the Church and say "WE excommunicate YOU, YOU are not a Bishop anymore, you damned sodomite! Get off sacred ground, you APOSTATE." And ignore ecclesial orders coming from these non-Bishops. And ignore mere court PAPERS. Let the "bishops" actually try to really get SHERRIFFS to bring force to the matter, and then watch how quickly the whole conservative faith community, not just Anglicans, join the orthodox Anglicans to cause the American legal system - which, please remember, is POLITICAL, with elected judges, elected prosecutors and elected sherriffs in many places - to have to choose between a narrow set of homosexual "bishops", on the one hand, and a much larger number of angry Christian voters, on the other.

I recall, way back at the beginning of Anglicanism, that Anglicans were perfectly willing to directly defy church authority, throw real Bishops out on their ears and actually SHOOT AT the Pope and his officials. And the worst that the old Catholic hierarchy ever did was the sin of simony. Ordaining open homosexuals, and tossing the orthodox out of churches for opposing obvious evil is a hell of a lot worse than anything that Martin Luther and the original Anglican Protestants were protesting.

The way Anglicanism became Anglican was through a direct defiance of ecclesial authority, then of Rome, on matters of much lesser spiritual importance than the American Episcopalian "bishops" are attempting to impose. Selling indulgences to build beautiful churches was a bad idea, no doubt about it. Creepy. Cheesy. Simony.
And the reaction was to expel the Roman Curia from the Anglican Church. For good or for ill, there was a time when Anglicans were willing to use literal physical force to drive BISHOPS they considered evil right out of the churches, and to take command of the Church by main force.

But look at what today's American "bishops" are doing.
Homosexual "bishops". Homosexual marriage blessings are clearly on the agenda. Forget the strange liturgical changes. Forget the priestesses. Let's go straight to Sodom.
Simony made Anglicans mad enough to expel real Bishops and create a new church hierarchy for themselves four hundred years ago
But even SODOMY does not seem to be enough to cause Anglicans today to simply disobey sodomite "bishops" and call them non-bishops, and to physically bar their entry into buildings in which they have no business being.

So, while you may hope that "something big" happens.
I expect that the big things that will happen will be more obedience.
Roman Bishops are not simoniacs anymore.
Episcopalian "bishops" are open sodomites.
For God's sake, if you're not going to resist authority no matter what, then just return to Rome and consider that the Romans eventually learnt their lesson. That yoke is easier to bear than this one, if for no other reason than those leaders will bore you and irritate you with their customs, but these will lead you straight into the mouth of Hell!

But what do I know?
I'm just an outsider who reads these articles and comes away upset that cancer is just devouring this church, and nobody will do what is necessary to stop it.

4 posted on 07/18/2005 6:59:32 AM PDT by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: Vicomte13

I agree with you. I am beginning to identify with the Prophet Amos.

But then, living in Eastern Canada, I spend a lot of my time shouting down the well and getting only echoes for my trouble. Still, if we keep shouting, at least they can't say they didn't know.

5 posted on 07/18/2005 6:11:49 PM PDT by KateatRFM
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