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Churchmen on brink of exodus over women bishops
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| Christopher Morgan
Posted on 07/10/2005 7:17:12 AM PDT by sionnsar
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posted on
07/10/2005 7:17:12 AM PDT
by
sionnsar
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posted on
07/10/2005 7:17:36 AM PDT
by
sionnsar
(†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || Iran Azadi || Kyoto: Split Atoms, not Wood)
To: sionnsar
What...they thought the feminists would be happy just being lowly priests? After all that "hard worK" to conquer the hegemony of an all-male priesthood in the name of 'empowerment'?
They are so silly!
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posted on
07/10/2005 8:29:28 PM PDT
by
Alkhin
("Oh! Oh!" cried my idiot crew. "It's a ghoul - we are lost!" ~ Jack Aubrey)
To: sionnsar; american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; ...
Andrew Burnham, Bishop of Ebbsfleet, this weekend becomes the first leading churchman to state that he would be likely to defect to the Roman Catholic Church. Welcome home, Bishop Burnham.
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posted on
07/10/2005 11:07:49 PM PDT
by
NYer
("Each person is meant to exist. Each person is God's own idea." - Pope Benedict XVI)
To: sionnsar
Come on over! The Catholic Church needs and welcomes you. Bring your ability to maintain polite discussion in the face of the most maddening of disagreements, your long history of prayer in the English Language, your battle-hardened approach to dealing with sacrilegious fobs, your well developed liturgical sensibilities, your principled stances, your ability to read the Gospels so articulately, your passion for social justice tempered by reverence for scripture, and all the rest of your gifts that you are willing to share and teach. You are certainly most welcome in the Catholic Church.
To: sionnsar
Andrew Burnham, Bishop of Ebbsfleet, this weekend becomes the first leading churchman to state that he would be likely to defect to the Roman Catholic Church.
I live within the area that the Bishop of Ebbsfleet covers, if no adequate provision is made, I'll most certainly be joining my Bishop in swimming the Tiber.
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posted on
07/11/2005 1:08:49 AM PDT
by
tjwmason
("For he himself has said it, and it's greatly to his credit, he remains an Englishman.")
To: InterestedQuestioner
"social justice"
The concept of "social justice" is of and from Satan.
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posted on
07/11/2005 1:21:37 AM PDT
by
dsc
To: tjwmason
Should you and your Bishop indeed swin the Tiber, we'll be waiting for you on the other side! A pre-emptive "welcome home!"
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posted on
07/11/2005 5:25:27 AM PDT
by
Romish_Papist
(The times are out of step with the Catholic Church. God Bless Pope Benedict XVI.)
To: tjwmason
I'll most certainly be joining my Bishop in swimming the Tiber. Congratulations ahead of time! 8-)
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posted on
07/11/2005 6:09:24 AM PDT
by
Aquinasfan
(Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
To: tjwmason
We certainly would welcome you.
And the Catholic Church as a whole can use a more reverent liturgy and better music . . . . so don't forget to pack your bags with your best stuff . . .
We're fortunate in our parish (very orthodox priests and a choirmaster with a profound appreciation for the English composers), but if your Bishop comes over and you get an Anglican Use rite, you should be able to continue in the great Anglican tradition, just with better theology and adult leadership . . . < g >
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posted on
07/11/2005 6:23:17 AM PDT
by
AnAmericanMother
(. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
To: sionnsar
I do truly appreciate the good Bishop's sincerity in this and am gratified by the joyous welcome being offered by the many RCs here.
But, will not this group bring women priests with them? What shall the RC say about that and what response shall these ex-Anglicans make then?
(Note: having female priests keeps a group out of communion with us in APCK, and we're not ready to swim the Tiber ourselves).
In Christ,
Deacon Paul+
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posted on
07/11/2005 7:19:44 AM PDT
by
BelegStrongbow
(St. Joseph, protector of the Innocent, pray for us!)
To: InterestedQuestioner; NYer
Come on over! The Catholic Church needs and welcomes you. Bring your ability to maintain polite discussion in the face of the most maddening of disagreements, your long history of prayer in the English Language, your battle-hardened approach to dealing with sacrilegious fobs, your well developed liturgical sensibilities, your principled stances, your ability to read the Gospels so articulately, your passion for social justice tempered by reverence for scripture, and all the rest of your gifts that you are willing to share and teach. You are certainly most welcome in the Catholic Church. Now that is what I call a welcoming invitation!!
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posted on
07/11/2005 7:45:51 AM PDT
by
sionnsar
(†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || Iran Azadi || Kyoto: Split Atoms, not Wood)
To: BelegStrongbow
The group might bring some (we even have some on FR), but what the RC does is up to them. I vaguely recall reading, a few months back, that one would simply renounce her orders.
And you're quite right -- the APCK is not ready to swim the Tiber. Our biggest difficulty is obtaining enough good (emphasis on "good"; APCK is pretty strict) clergy for all the growth opportunities before us.
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posted on
07/11/2005 7:50:10 AM PDT
by
sionnsar
(†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || Iran Azadi || Kyoto: Split Atoms, not Wood)
To: sionnsar
"A further sign of that disunity was evident last week when it emerged that Lord Carey, former Archbishop of Canterbury, had angered Cardinal Cormac Murphy-OConnor, the Archbishop of Westminster, by agreeing to become patron of the campaign for the ordination of women in the Roman Catholic Church. "
Am I reading this correctly? C of E bishops lobbying for female priests in the Catholic Church? Ha! Enjoy wasting your time and money, boys.
To: BelegStrongbow
But, will not this group bring women priests with them?
Categorically not.
The entire raison d'etre of the Bishop of Ebbsfleet is against women 'priests'. When the C.ofE. decided to go down that disastrous road, it was forced to provide Bishops of those of us who cannot in conscience accept women 'priests'.
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posted on
07/11/2005 8:25:40 AM PDT
by
tjwmason
("For he himself has said it, and it's greatly to his credit, he remains an Englishman.")
To: tjwmason
That is good to know as one doesn't until someone who knows steps up to say.
Thanks, tjw.
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posted on
07/11/2005 8:32:49 AM PDT
by
BelegStrongbow
(St. Joseph, protector of the Innocent, pray for us!)
To: BelegStrongbow
"But, will not this group bring women priests with them?"
They can't - there is no such thing as a female priest in the eyes of the Catholic Church.
To: AnAmericanMother
"And the Catholic Church as a whole can use a more reverent liturgy and better music . "
You sure got that right! Maybe we could trade guitars for priests...
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posted on
07/11/2005 9:00:14 AM PDT
by
warsaw44
(To believe the writings of Islam, is to believe God is a Misogynist)
To: Tantumergo
Well, yes, but see #16. The point is that the Church of England now 'ordains' women. I am quite happy to hear that there are dioceses in England which have refused to ever 'ordain' any.
Thanks,
Deacon Paul+
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posted on
07/11/2005 9:00:15 AM PDT
by
BelegStrongbow
(St. Joseph, protector of the Innocent, pray for us!)
To: BelegStrongbow
These are the folks who objected to the priestesses in the first place.
Having observed all the priestesses in our former ECUSA diocese for 28 years, I think they were right to so object. I was deluded by feminism at the time, but in retrospect, that and the prayerbook revision were the first rumblings of trouble.
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posted on
07/11/2005 9:07:12 AM PDT
by
AnAmericanMother
(. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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