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Kingdom of Heaven - Movie on the Crusades: Will it Rewrite History?
Channel 4 ^ | 2005 | n/a

Posted on 04/14/2005 11:33:01 AM PDT by Pyro7480

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To: loreldan

Since he was a homosexual, Oliver Stone should be interested.


61 posted on 04/14/2005 4:08:41 PM PDT by stop_fascism
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To: All
Someone (Mel Gibson?) needs to make a film based on this book (The Seige of Malta) to counter the pc crap this film will likely be.

http://www.arxpub.com/literary/Angels/AngelsinIron.html

62 posted on 04/14/2005 6:00:04 PM PDT by Romish_Papist (Canonize Pope John Paul the Great as patron Saint of the unborn.)
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To: Corin Stormhands

NORTON!!!!

My thoughts exactly!


63 posted on 04/14/2005 6:59:34 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: dangus

Ed Norton hits I haven't seen:


HARRY AND TONTO?


64 posted on 04/14/2005 7:01:48 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Pyro7480
According to Scott, though, it's actually the Christian forces that come off worst. "All you've got to do is tell the truth," says the director. "The whitest knight was Saladin and the worst fundamentalists were Christian. They made the problem."

I guess Christians "made the problem" by being driven out of the Holy Land and North Africa, or being slaughtered or forced to convert, over the course of several centuries, before they determined to fight back.

I smell another anti-Christian Hollywood stink bomb. Unfortunately, this will play well in the Muslim world.

65 posted on 04/15/2005 4:26:59 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: mike182d
lol. That is correct. Muslims had absolutely nothing to do with the Crusades and the Catholic Church was just being a viscious, racist, tyrant in attacking a poor, innocent people. /sarcasm

Of course, everyone (including most Catholics) believed this until about four years ago. Then some people began to reexamine the history that was taught them.

66 posted on 04/15/2005 4:28:35 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: ksen
...was created by the Protestants to attack the Church. Oh please.....

As was the Inquisition.

The Myth of the Spanish Inquisition

"The Myth of the Spanish Inquisition," a 1994 BBC/A&E production, will re-air on the History Channel this December 3 at 10 p.m. It is a definite must-see for anyone who wishes to know how historians now evaluate the Spanish Inquisition since the opening of an investigation into the Inquisition's archives. The special includes commentary from historians whose studies verify that the tale of the darkest hour of the Church was greatly fabricated.

...The Inquisition Myth, which Spaniards call "The Black Legend," did not arise in 1480. It began almost 100 years later, and exactly one year after the Protestant defeat at the Battle of Mühlberg at the hands of Ferdinand's grandson, the Holy Roman Emperor Charles V. In 1567 a fierce propaganda campaign began with the publication of a Protestant leaflet penned by a supposed Inquisition victim named Montanus. This character (Protestant of course) painted Spaniards as barbarians who ravished women and sodomized young boys. The propagandists soon created "hooded fiends" who tortured their victims in horrible devices like the knife-filled Iron Maiden (which never was used in Spain). The BBC/A&E special plainly states a reason for the war of words: the Protestants fought with words because they could not win on the battlefield.

...What is documented is that 3000 to 5000 people died during the Inquisition's 350 year history. Also documented are the "Acts of Faith," public sentencings of heretics in town squares. But the grand myth of thought control by sinister fiends has been debunked by the archival evidence. The inquisitors enjoyed a powerful position in the towns, but it was one constantly jostled by other power brokers. In the outlying areas, they were understaffed - in those days it was nearly impossible for 1 or 2 inquisitors to cover the thousand-mile territory allotted to each team. In the outlying areas no one cared and no one spoke to them. As the program documents, the 3,000 to 5,000 documented executions of the Inquisition pale in comparison to the 150,000 documented witch burnings elsewhere in Europe over the same centuries.

...Discrediting the Black Legend brings up the sticky subject of revisionism. Re-investigating history is only invalid if it puts an agenda ahead of reality. The experts - once true believers in the Inquisition myth - were not out to do a feminist canonization of Isabella or claim that Tomas de Torquemada was a Marxist. Henry Kamen of the Higher Council for Scientific Research in Barcelona said on camera that researching the Inquisition's archives "demolished the previous image all of us (historians) had."


67 posted on 04/15/2005 4:36:19 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Aquinasfan

pffft....that all revisionist history :-)


68 posted on 04/15/2005 6:12:17 AM PDT by mike182d ("Let fly the white flag of war." - Zapp Brannigan)
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To: Pyro7480
You see it all the time. There was no problem before the Christians started to fight back. Just ask a liberal who blames the Pope for starting the Crusades what happened to Christian Egypt? Christian Syria? Christian Libya? Christian Mauritania? etc etc. They were invading the middle of France in 702(?) for the love of Pete. Many of them learned this but it doesn't fit with the agenda so they ignore it and get irritated with you for not falling for the party line.

One more movie I will NOT be seeing. I'm a history buff this kind of movie is right up my ally. Heck if they want to blow a lot of money on a flick people will not see, what can you do?
69 posted on 04/15/2005 7:35:46 AM PDT by Mark in the Old South (Sister Lucia of Fatima pray for us)
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To: Mark in the Old South

As I said on a related thread, I'm going to wait until some Christian and Christian-sympathetic reviewers like Michael Medved actually see the film until I make my final call on whether I will see it or not.


70 posted on 04/15/2005 7:38:14 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("All my own perception of beauty both in majesty and simplicity is founded upon Our Lady." - Tolkien)
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To: RonDog
...as Scott points out, history is conjecture anyway. "There's 300 years of perception and a mass of material so what you do is you glean through a lot of it and form your own opinion."

So, in other words, as long as the depictions coincide with the liberal point of view, things will be okay.

It sounds as if he has Winston Smith's job.

71 posted on 04/15/2005 8:39:29 PM PDT by Paul Atreides (FACT: More atrocities have been perpetrated with a hot glue gun, than with a hand gun)
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I cannot say I admire Scott's thesis but I will not miss this movie. He's a helluva a movie maker. Alien and Gladiator assured his place in film history. His movies are really good. Did he do Black Hawn Down as well? I googled it and yep,you bet. Like his politics or hate them, he delivers the action goods in a huge way.


72 posted on 04/25/2005 10:35:04 AM PDT by kinghorse
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I cannot say I admire Scott's thesis but I will not miss this movie. He's a helluva a movie maker. Alien and Gladiator assured his place in film history. His movies are really good. Did he do Black Hawn Down as well? I googled it and yep,you bet. Like his politics or hate them, he delivers the action goods in a huge way.


73 posted on 04/25/2005 10:36:04 AM PDT by kinghorse
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To: All

I hope this won't be anti-Christian, but it probably will be.


74 posted on 04/25/2005 3:27:21 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=rwfromkansas)
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To: ksen

I liked Troy.


75 posted on 04/25/2005 3:29:30 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=rwfromkansas)
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To: RonDog

Evangelical Christians are attacking it as well saying it presents the Muslims in a positive light and the Christians in a negative.

CAIR also says it is fair.


76 posted on 04/25/2005 3:35:40 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=rwfromkansas)
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To: mike182d
I cannot think of a bad movie to date that had Ed Norton in it...

"Death to Smoochy" (2002)

That's alright. Nothing can ever take away from the powerhouse performance he gave in "American History X". Now there's a movie I never thought would be made in Hollywood.

77 posted on 04/25/2005 3:43:06 PM PDT by Drew68 (Semper Gumby!!! FOD KILLS!!!)
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To: Drew68

Are you kidding? "Death to Smoochy" was hilarious.


78 posted on 05/02/2005 9:40:50 PM PDT by FriarFaithful
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To: Pyro7480
Kingdom of Heaven? Rubbish!
79 posted on 05/05/2005 5:31:51 PM PDT by Fred
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