New Missal??

[murphE]

Thanks for your responses!

[jrny]

How did you get to partake in the work to publish it? I have been working on publishing a 1962 Missal myself along with some other liturgical resources but I cannot yet find a publisher/distributor? Can you offer some advice on what a novice should do? What is the process for a third party like me? I am a liturgical enthusiast...you could say I would like to publish liturgical resources as a hobby. I see the demand for such work only increasing. Thanks.

[lindsey_123]

I'm very sorry, I can't pass this up. After centuries of use, when the rosary served quite well with the Sorrowful, Joyful, and Glorious mysteries for all in the Church, now all of a sudden, they are just not good enough! I think it reflects rather, mankind's dissatisfaction in the world today: change, change, everything is change. What was fine, wonderful, and perfect for everyone before, a blessed means to honor Our Lady, now is just not good enough. Or rather, it's "out with the old, in with the new" all over again!
It is not for us to judge anyone's intentions. If anything, let us hope the Pope at least "meant well" and had the salvation of the Church in his command as his first priority when he elected to have the Luminous Mysteries added to the rosary. But what must be realized is that they indeed constitute no part of the authentic Rosary, the Rosary Our Lady herself wants us to say.

To quote, you say, "I used to play a little game when saying the Rosary, looking fo the most profound yet meaningful in terms of the life of Jesus through the eyes of Mary, wih the stipulation that it tie in with the existing mysteries. It was basically just a longing to meditate on more subjects." To limit your prayers/meditations solely to the Rosary is not necessary! The Church has offered us through the centuries a myriad of perfectly good meditaions - think of all the epistles, gospels, etc. etc. The sermons/homilies could reflect topics for meditation...so my point being that meditation is not to be solely restricted to the Rosary: the Sorrowful, Joyful, and Glorious mysteries cover all aspects of Our Lord's life that Our Lady knew to be perfectly useful for us to consider. Nothing more, nothing less. Outside our daily rosary, of course we are encouraged to meditate 15 minutes a day...if for some reason, you cannot find the "tie" with the "existing" mysteries, then either 1) try it anyway - perhaps there is a "tie" you'd not thought of before (besides, God is all-loving, and omnipotent. He is also most merciful: will He not see that you are trying to do what is right in His eyes? Could it be scruples that keep you from meditating on these "ties"?) or 2) If it be scruples, or whatever cause that keeps you from meditating on these topics, take the extra time of the day to do so! God is never outdone in generosity.

I hope that explains in brief why, really, the Luminous Mysteries are not necessary. I'm afraid I can't go into the Magisterium/Church's teaching on the Doctrine of the Rosary/etc. as I am not well-versed in that regard; but principles are principles, and the nice thing about them is that they are applicable in any situation.

God bless!

[Land of the Irish]

It's like refusing to eat a piece of cake because there is a cherry on top.

What if one does not enjoy consuming wax cherries?

[mairdaiwyn]

You have asked why the luminous mysteries would make the missal I was considering buying less attractive, or even "negative." It is true I presented the subject in that light... it did make me hesitate, and this is the reason.

The rosary, as lindsey_123 has pointed out, always formerly consisted in the Joyful, Sorrowful, and Glorious mysteries. These mysteries follow the life of Jesus Christ from the moment of His Incarnation to the crowning of His Mother as the Queen of heaven and earth.
It is the rosary of Our Lady, for she was such a central part of Our Lord's life. However, these mysteries were perfect in length and content...why else would Our Lady have encouraged the children of Fatima to pray her rosary every day?!!

So why change it now?

I do not question the Pope's authority on this matter, or his intention, for certainly it was only to honor the Mother of God more.
But assuredly, a question must arise: if these are to be the mysteries of the rosary of Our Lady... why is it that she is in only one of the luminous mysteries? I find it rather hard to meditate on the other mysteries through the eyes of the Mother of God, as she was not present when the events occurred. Perhaps you could provide an answer.

As you say, you liked to meditate on the mysteries of the rosary as a child "through the eyes of Mary" - so do I! There is nothing in the least wrong with that... in fact, it is to be highly commended. They are, indeed, in honor of her.

"The idea that 5 more mysteries on Our Lord's life" is not necessarily "a bad thing," as you have stated it... It just isn't necessary.
I hope I've answered your questions sufficiently. Please do understand however that I do not in the least doubt the Pope, his authority, or his intentions... Thank you.

[gbcdoj]

But what must be realized is that they indeed constitute no part of the authentic Rosary, the Rosary Our Lady herself wants us to say.

The Briggitine Rosary (http://www.sspx.co.uk/articles.php?articleid=88), which was a quite traditional devotion, had 3 additional mysteries added to the normal ones. So I can't see quite the problem with more mysteries.

[Grey Ghost II]

So I can't see quite the problem with more mysteries.

MODERNISM is the problem.

[lindsey_123]

Interesting comment.

The Briggitine Rosary was a devotional prayer particular to (though not restricted to) the Carmelites. It was not instead of the rosary; rather, it was "extra-curricular" so to speak: the Pope did not announce the Briggitine Rosary to take the place of the Rosary; nor did it change the entire Church's position on the Rosary.

The problem with more mysteries, as mentioned above in a prior post, is that they primarily change the very nature of the rosary, the purpose of the rosary (from the aspect of gladdening the heart of Our Lady by most specifically meditating on her life with Christ), and change the entire Church's position on what has always been adhered to for centuries upon centuries.

I hope that since you have cited an SSPX website on the Briggitine Rosary, you have perused the following link, or will now if you have not already:

http://www.sspx.org/miscellaneous/luminous_mysteries_of_rosary.htm


Thank you!

[Grey Ghost II]

Does the Roman Catholic Daily missal have this as well?

Yes, a couple of pages on each season.

[Arguss]

so my point being that meditation is not to be solely restricted to the Rosary: the Sorrowful, Joyful, and Glorious mysteries cover all aspects of Our Lord's life that Our Lady knew to be perfectly useful for us to consider....I'm afraid I can't go into the Magisterium/Church's teaching on the Doctrine of the Rosary/etc. as I am not well-versed in that regard"

Well then, before you make a rash judgement you should learn what you are speaking of.

The existing mysteries were not handed down by the Blessed Virgin, but were rather arbitrarily chosen, developed over time, to replace having people learn the 150 Psalms that was the early practice. The 15 mysteries said ove and over again is actually to accomodate those who could not remember 150.

That being the case, there is actually room for 130 more mysteries.

[Arguss]

"What if one does not enjoy consuming wax cherries?"

Then my point is don't eat it, but don't throw the cake away because of it.

[mairdaiwyn]

"The Briggitine Rosary...which was a quite traditional devotion, had 3 additional mysteries added to the normal ones. So I can't see quite the problem with more mysteries."

The Brigittine rosary, containing 3 mysteries more than the Dominican rosary, is quite a different circumstance.
There are rosaries other than the rosary of St. Dominic, the traditional 15-decade rosary.
There is the rosary of the 7 Joys of Mary... it has 7 decades and is the rosary the Franciscans wear around their waist.
There is the chaplet of Divine Mercy and the Chaplet of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, both of which use the beads of a 5-decade rosary but are different devotions, and use prayers other than Hail Marys.
There is the rosary of the Precious Blood, in which for each bead, as well, a different prayer than the Hail Mary is said.
The Brigittine rosary is one like those, peculiar to one order or devotion, rather than the universally said rosary. None of these rosaries were in any way taking the Dominican rosary and CHANGING it, but completely different rosaries altogether. The luminous mysteries have been added to the Saint Dominic rosary, altering it, instead of being a variation or separate devotion.

Please see: http://www.udayton.edu/mary/resources/chaplet.html

Thank you, and God bless!

[Pyro7480]

How did you get to see a copy of the Baronius Missal?

[beerandbacon]

Hello, I normally do not get involved in such matters, but after reading this post, I felt the urge to reply. First of all, let me begin by stating I have absolutely no affiliation with Baronius Press (unlike the author of the previous message, who does have a clear interest in the missal s/he helped publish). The writer states that the Baronius missal felt "cheap." I respectfully disagree. Here is what the publishers say about the paper, it is printed on the "finest cream bible paper. It will not yellow or disintegrate with time as the paper is acid free and due to its strength, you will not need to worry about tearing the paper as you turn pages!" More importantly, Baronius Press has not cut any costs and has actually bound this missal in real morocco leather (unlike the Angelus press missal which is made in faux leather, or as Angelus Press itself states, "Smythe Sewn, rounded back binding with durable, leather-like Skivertex polymer gold-embossed flexible cover.") I have no idea what "Skivertex" is, but I'll take real leather anyday over it! Additionally, it is absolutely true that Baronius' may claim to have "the only complete Roman Missal . . . approved by the Church." As Blessed Pius IX stated in Quantus Supra, most men will agree that it is up to the Holy See to decide who is and who is not a Catholic. Despite the mental and canonical gymnastics performed by the SSPX in order to prove they are not excommunicated and not schismatic, the Holy See (the See that may not be judged by any man) has clearly pronounced its judgment and, unfortunately, Msgr. Lefebvre and the four consecrated bishops had/have never even attempted to go through the formal canonical procedures to contest the excommunications. Lastly, it is absurd to think that supporting the Luminous Mysteries is a sign of not being in the Church. Baronius Press seems (again, I do not definitively know because I have no connection with them) to be an honest publishing press devoted to traditional Catholicism within and faithful to Holy Mother Church. I see on their website that they will soon be publishing two different pocket editions of the Douay-Rheims bible (one with the OT and NT and one with the psalms and NT). I commend them and pray God will bless their efforts. I continue to pray for the well-meaning, but fundamentally flawed members of the SSPX that they will return to the Barque of Peter. God bless you.