St. Anthony of Padua (West Orange, NJ) UPDATE!!!

Church Bulletins ^ | 11/25/04

[latae sententiae]

Oh, that is a fact. You can lie, and deny it, but it remains the truth nevertheless....

What's a fact?

[hobbes1]

The simple truth you wont seem to admit.

Father Murphy, is in fact, a retired Diocesan priest, drawing a pension. Who did, in fact say the N.O. for many years....

[hobbes1]

And as to what I know, or Don't know...I am fairly privy to every little detail of your 'separatist movement'..


The one thing I haven't quite worked out yet, is why you SSPX voluptuaries, are still hanging around the Essex House, when the Parish in NYC, is just as close....Is it the 6$ Toll...Or the hopes of a lawsuit?

[latae sententiae]

It no longer applies to the faithful at St.Anthony's, since the retired diocesan priest, Fr. Murphy was there long enough to have administered confession and absolution to every one there.

He had no permission from your Archbishop to offer Mass and absolve on his turf. Hence, to your newfound leadership, those absolutions never happened validly. Ask them.

But maybe you could tell me why the WHO of it concerns you, rahter than the fact of it... ?

Oh, it doesn't concern me in the least, but it should concern you. Still waiting for (a) and (b), BTW.

[latae sententiae]

And as to what I know, or Don't know...I am fairly privy to every little detail of your 'separatist movement'..

Thank you.

[hobbes1]

He had no permission from your Archbishop to offer Mass and absolve on his turf. Hence, to your newfound leadership, those absolutions never happened validly. Ask them.

That is incorrect. Those who possess the faculty of hearing confessions habitually whether by virtue of office or by virtue of the grant of an ordinary of the place of incardination or of the place in which they have a domicile can exercise that faculty everywhere.....

[hobbes1]

Actually I answered both.

As to Fr.Perricones positon, as I pointed out, he would be aware of the grave sins being incurred by, and indeed guilty of grave sin in keeping such information from the aforementioned, and would be injudiciously administering and receiving Holy Commmunion.

So Occams Razor applying, now, You should prove why you think the opposite is actually the truth.

[Claud]

Ah, the old Novus Ordo "fight from within" argument. It's been taken to pieces time and time again by many good priests and theologians over the years,

Like it or not, that is the only way that the traditional Mass will be restored--all else is a pipe dream. I've seen enough of the fissiparousness among some independent traditionalists to see any hope there.

As for Fr. Perricone being a "Modernist": 1) I am a personal friend of his and that is the stupidest, most asinine charge that can be laid against this good priest, whose only experience with modernism is in being harassed and persecuted by its adherents. 2) it was precisely to prevent the laity from overzealously fulminating against supposed heretics that the Holy Office of the Inquisition got its job.

You have objections to the "insipid" Novus Ordo, fine. But allow others the liberty to come to their own conclusions about it without blackening their reputations with the charge of heresy.

[Rosary]

WHAT? I think you are far behind, this has been going on some 40 yrs. and the Pope Never outlawed the Traditonal Latin Mass.

[Cato1]

This post is for everyone on the thread and not directed to one person. I have been reading this thread and think that no one should be even using the word "heresy" or any other word to describe someone else... remember '...whoever is not against you is with you.' we all have to respect the diversity of opinions and wait for God to sort it out. We well know that we must see the divine nature and action of the Church within the context of clearly imperfect human's. But wasn't that the nature of the Church from the beginning. '...woe to anyone who finds in me a stumbling block.' The humanity of the carpenter was a stumbling block to his neighbors and contemporaries. Just so the corruption of the Bishops, Cardinals, etc... did not stop St. Francis of Assisi from asking the Pope's permission to start an order. A priest is a priest of God. Anytime we see them we must honor Christ in their ordination and action. We who have become to familiar with holy things... do not always see the sacredness in them. 'Judge not lest ye be judged'

Read Michael Davies find tract on the validity of the Novus Ordo Mass. It is valid. So is the 'Mass of All Ages.' Now we have the right to hear it.

Those of us who are trying to get more indult masses said are being tainted by the traditionalists who refuse to work with the official institutions of the Church. It is important that the SSPX people and other groups help the indult people by keeping the vitrol to a minimum. No ad hominum and name calling. Lets work together so that the tradtions of the Church are not lost to the Church overall and that young people can experience what we were able to experience and know. This is not for us but for others.

Try not to appoint yourselves judges and authority's in the Church or of your own devising. Christ still acts primarily and ordinarily in his Church.

[Coleus]

A bunch of parishioners left that church and started to meet in a VFW hall in Fairfield and are part of an SSPX group. I understand a lot of the people are pleased with Fr. Perricone including family members of Fr. Wickens.