Posted on 11/22/2004 4:51:06 PM PST by Land of the Irish
Of course it is clear. It is clear to those who refuse to look at any other evidence. Give me anything you have. I'll look at it. Send me any credible liturgical historian. If you can demonstrate the truth of what you are claiming, I'll accept it.
What's "AFIAC"?
As far as I am concerned.
RE: Malichi Martin, former priest. Did his novels have a basis in fact? Just asking, don't want to start the Thirty Year War over. Thanks
Well said. Chewing the same meat twice gets old.
As far as I can tell, yes they did.
They are called opinions and there is no need to prove them - it's common knowledge for those who haven't drunk the Kool-Aid.
Untrue. The whole intention of the Novus Ordo is to deceive, to hide Catholic dogmatic lights under a bushel, in order to appeal to Protestants. This is the reason for the down-playing of the Real Presence and Propitiatory sacrifice. The apostles and martyrs had no such subversive intention.
The Mass of all ages
1345 As early as the second century we have the witness of St. Justin Martyr for the basic lines of the order of the Eucharistic celebration. They have stayed the same until our own day for all the great liturgical families. St. Justin wrote to the pagan emperor Antoninus Pius (138-161) around the year 155, explaining what Christians did:
On the day we call the day of the sun, all who dwell in the city or country gather in the same place. The memoirs of the apostles and the writings of the prophets are read, as much as time permits.
When the reader has finished, he who presides over those gathered admonishes and challenges them to imitate these beautiful things.
Then we all rise together and offer prayers* for ourselves . . .and for all others, wherever they may be, so that we may be found righteous by our life and actions, and faithful to the commandments, so as to obtain eternal salvation.
When the prayers are concluded we exchange the kiss.
Then someone brings bread and a cup of water and wine mixed together to him who presides over the brethren.
He takes them and offers praise and glory to the Father of the universe, through the name of the Son and of the Holy Spirit and for a considerable time he gives thanks (in Greek: eucharistian) that we have been judged worthy of these gifts.
When he has concluded the prayers and thanksgivings, all present give voice to an acclamation by saying: 'Amen.'
When he who presides has given thanks and the people have responded, those whom we call deacons give to those present the "eucharisted" bread, wine and water and take them to those who are absent.171
Dr. White's despair is evident in the last sentence of his letter:
"Our Lord in His agony in the garden certainly suffered from the hatred of His enemies, but such suffering was nothing compared to the certain knowledge that He would be betrayed and denied by His friends and disciples."
Our Lady of La Salette, pray for us.
Saint Pius X, pray for us.
Saint Padre Pio pray for us.
And that's why you won't convince anyone.
What's your point? He was given a very basic description to a pagan. There is no way you can use this description as a justification for the Novus Ordo. There is no credibility in that argument. But, as Bugnini found out, if you simply keep reapeating it, somebody will eventually believe you.
Just because one believes that our Church has been hijacked by a hierarchy in order to continue to do it greater harm, you follow me around (you, like me, being the wealthy elite with not a great deal to do but what we believe to be God's work)starting arguments on threads that have NOTHING to do with Novus Ordo or the desecretion of the Church and cast insults towards me.
Unfortunately for you, you suffer from a case of ego inflation that is a sin. You believe you feel like Hillary in that you are incapable of error. Face it, you err again and again and again.
An examination of some of your other comments and postings show a person who is very disturbed and prone to commit, on the web, the equivalent of road rage.
Get a grip on yourself. Become a better person and please read more about your Church and what's happening with it in order to understand that not everyone feels that the situation is fine.
You're getting lazy, Jesse, cutting and pasting posts. What's next? Another racial slur?
I think the more people that know the truth about you the better off we'll all be. Instead of hanging on her for the rest of the week (don't forget your turkey) get out and get some fresh air and, perhaps, a job.
Perhaps if other Catholics knew you used racial slurs, they'd have another view of your sanctimonious preening.
Adios, amigo.
Aha, finally!
Now I see where you're coming from and will apologize to you personally.
Has your shirt dried out yet, Slinkslur?
"Let's repeat the mantra: "JPII is a miserable failure.""
Wojtyla is worse than a miserable failure. He is irrelevant and already a footnote in history.
He will be the greatest Pope of the 20th century, as viewed by historians.
That number includes Pius X.
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