PROPHETIC SIGNS THAT WE ARE IN THE END TIMES [A good summary of SOME key evidences--QX]

CONTENDER MINISTRIES ^ | 11 JUL 2004 | JENNIFER RAST

[Quix]

I don't believe it was a hoax.

I believe they found a flaw in the first heffer.

I think they have since been provided one that passes muster.

I think the red heffer issue is out of the way and awaiting other bench marks to be fulfilled.

[Quix]

I wouldn't have a clue about stocks.

But I do believe that there's plenty opportunity to make a lot.

Survivalist technologies, I'd think would do well.

So would some satanic oriented things like the SLAG (SLave tAG) implant chip etc. But I wouldn't invest in those!

Besides, timing seems to be something that virtually all the prophetic voiced I know have never gotten very accurate, yet. They will. Not sure when.

[Quix]

I don't see how anyone can pay attention to the News that knows REvelation, Daniel, EZekiel etc. and NOT think we are in the last days! LOL.

[Quix]

It's not about books and tapes.

Certainly not SUPPOSED TO BE!

I think God is getting ready to clean house on that bunch of stuff.

[Quix]

Am inclined to agree.

[Quix]

THX

[Safrguns]

The scripture in question is 2 Thessalonians 2:3.
"...That day (revealing of the antichrist) will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition."
Here's the same scripture from the HNV version (Hebrew)
"Let no one deceive you in any way. For it will not be, unless the departure comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of destruction,"

The concept of a "falling away" as we have understood it and as it has been described does not fit with any other prophecies concerning the end times. I challenge anyone to find a supporting prophecy suggesting that God's church (not individuals) will be in a state of failure when He comes for it. However, if this IS a case of mis-translation, and HNV version is correct, the word departure (Rapture) fits very well with the context of the verse and chapter. i.e. The antichrist will not be revealed until the church has departed.

[Safrguns]

Satan's lie to the un-believer:
You cannot become a christian... your sins are too great

Satan's lie to the newly born again christian:
You didn't really become a christian because you still sin

Satan's lie to the mature christian:
You can lose your salvation if you fall away

False teachings have their designed consequence.
The consequence of this one is guilt (because we cannot escape our own sin)
Guilt will result in either a response of pride - "I have not fallen away" or a response of fear - "I have lost my salvation."
Either way, the end result is a disabled christian.

[topcat54]

I believe that this is a good summary of SOME key evidences and their related Scriptures.

One you left out, and the one that "seals" it for me is Paul Crouch's contention that the "flying scroll" prophecy of Zechariah 5:2 is absolutely, unquestionably fulfilled in the TBN broadcast satellites, two of which fit perfectly in the shuttle cargo bay.

Paul definitely has his finger on the pulse of Bible prophecy. And don't you just dig his wife's hair?

[topcat54]

The Jews are supposed to rebuild the Temple. So far it's not happening although they are trying.

Who's trying what?

[topcat54]

Hagee explains how in Noah's days, the destruction of humanity by the flood resulted because of man's wickedness. Here, Hagee describes the "murders, rapes, kidnappings, assaults, child abuse, parental abuse, etc.," that are evident in our daily lives as direct signs that the end is at hand.

And this is something new??

I think Jesus's point, as opposed to Hagee's speculation, is that no one will be able to discern the approach of His coming based on "signs".

"But He answered and said to them, 'An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. '" (Matt. 12:39,40)

Modern sign seekers and followers of folks like word-faith guru Hagee ought to be wary.

[Quix]

I understand your perspective.

I don't believe the last one included the WHOLE COUNSEL OF THE WHOLE of Scripture.

I believe it's much tougher to walk or slip away from God than many might think. But I believe that Scripture teaches that it's possible. I don't care to argue over specific Scriptures. There are plenty on both side. Pretending there is only one side, is not Biblical, nor intellectually honest, to me.

Thanks for your kind post.

[Quix]

CONCEIVABLE.

I'm not a great fan of make-up at all--much less industrial strength. However, Jan's heart seems a ton more on target than some other similar hearts in past orgs.

I pray Paul is a true man of God. I pray the rumors are unfounded.

But, God has used arses before and does daily. My mirror works.

Hadn't heard of that interpretation before. Conceivable. Also conceivably hype.

We shall see in due course.

[Ann Archy]

hmmm

[Quix]

The Temple pieces, components, stones have reportedly been ready for years. The Temple could be built within a year of starting.

The vessles for use have been made and priests have been trained int heir use.

DNA has been used to affirm authentic descendents from Aaron.

When the Temple is rebuilt, we can know that there are scant years left until Christ appears in the clouds. Thankfully, even 7 years of horror is a RELATIVELY short time.

[Quix]

I think you missed Christ's points at least by half.

He made it clear that the unGodly unbelievers wouldn't have a clue.

He did also chide Believers who could tell the weather but not read the signs accurately--encouraging them to read the signs better and be alert for the end times and His return.

[telder1]

The problem with these end times 'interpretations' is that they are self-fulfillments of a flawed theology. While in the middle of saying 'You must be born again', the implication is that you have 'free will' and must 'choose Christ' in order for that new birth to happen. The very speech that speaks these 'warnings' admits it isn't God as His Creating Word and can't create anything or it wouldn't be asking and manipulating emotions of the present non-born again creature. These end times prophecies are by in large emotional manipulations to get the onlooker to choose quick. 'See there? You better chose Christ before the buzzer sounds!' Each one is more sensational and more 'logical' than the last and each one is based on the Bible supposedly being nothing more than 'holy information' that the reader/onlooker must first manipulate somehow or have it manipulated for them by another human mind or group of minds and then 'choose as truth'--otherwise God's Word violates the will of the one born again--the ultimate no no in the free will lie. In Truth, God's Word violates the will of the former creature as He creates and births real, literal new creations in Jesus Christ because we are born again on-the-hearing of His Word. So this whole 'method' of 'warning' non-new creations in Jesus Christ into Church via end times/prophecy manipulation is false and a lie--in the midst of seeming to be extremely pious.

God says read His Word and understand prophecy. Know what is going on around you. Yes. God never says anywhere it is okay to alarm souls in a false gospel and entrap them in churcheology to get their money. In fact He says those that do/false prophets will say to him "Lord, Lord.." and He will say "Depart from me. I never knew you." Nowhere does He say "Depart from me. You chose poorly."

Don't waste time looking up to prove to God you know Him. God knows you if you are His. Get on with what He is doing through you.

James 1:18 According to his own will begat he us by the word of truth, that we should be a certain first-fruits of *his* creatures.

In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen

[Quix]

THX.

[Quix]

I find most of it simple and plain Scripture not needing any great intellectual interpretation.

I certainly endeavor daily to get on with whatever God has before me.

Thanks for caring enough to post.

[D Rider]

The writer makes a mistake in the six signs from the book of Mathew. The first five are the "non-signs" (compare to what has taken place consistently over the last 2000 years). The sixth is the sign of what must take place before the end comes.