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SSPX FRANCE REPORTEDLY IN CHAOS
Envoy Magazine ^ | September 18, 2004 | Pete Vere

Posted on 09/20/2004 7:38:56 AM PDT by NYer

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To: ultima ratio

LMAO You have no clue. Buh, bye


421 posted on 10/01/2004 7:24:10 PM PDT by bornacatholic
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To: Columba
I think this should demonstrate to trads that it is time to start causing more damage.

LOL!! Like what? Your number is miniscule.

425 posted on 12/24/2004 1:33:26 PM PST by sinkspur ("How dare you presume to tell God what He cannot do" God Himself)
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To: Columba
You're not a trad. Trads are those who attend the Indult Mass. Traditionalists are not hell-bent on destroying the Church.

Those who follow the dead archbishop and deny the Pope (sedes) are schismatic integrists, and you deserve to be laughed at.

The Pope has welcomed you back, but you insist on a universal indult. He's offered an apostolic administration, but you don't want that.

No, you want to infiltrate the Novus Ordo through a universal indult to try to suppress the Novus Ordo.

Why not take the administration, as the FSSP did?

I'm convinced the SSPX doesn't want a reunion. It wants its own church.

You may get the opportunity to experience that with the next Pope.

You could put those flyers on every car in our parish's lot, at every Mass, and you wouldn't get a single favorable response.

427 posted on 12/24/2004 1:57:46 PM PST by sinkspur ("How dare you presume to tell God what He cannot do" God Himself)
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To: sinkspur
Why are you using the term "integrist" as if it means something derogatory? If you are using the term as the "Liberal Catholics" did (see below), then it says something about you, doesn't it?

In the nineteenth century some Catholics started arguing that many of the ideas inspiring the French Revolution could be reconciled with Catholic thought as they were eventually Christian in origin. These men, who came to be called ‘Liberal Catholics’ had to endure hearing many rude things said about them by other Catholics (like the Pope, for instance). They did not like this and, after much thought, came up with a rather clever wheeze: they thought of a new word ‘integrist’. Meant of course as a term of abuse with which to denigrate their opponents (i.e. orthodox logical Catholics), and thereby created, with one masterful stroke of the pen, a climate of opinion in which they - the Liberals - would appear to be mainstream Catholics and their opponents a mere extremist sect within the Church.

428 posted on 12/24/2004 2:11:21 PM PST by Pyro7480 (Sub tuum praesidium confugimus, sancta Dei Genitrix.... sed a periculis cunctis libera nos semper...)
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To: Pyro7480; Columba
You are welcome not to use "integrist" if you're not comfortable using it. Stephen Hand uses it at TCRnews.com, and it fits.

Integrist doesn't apply to you, anyway, since you attend an Indult. It only applies to the schismatics.

You will notice a tactic of the integrists in the last few posts: Columba (a two-day newbie) comes on a dead thread and tries to stir the pot. This kind of thing has been specifically forbidden by the Religion Moderator.

But, she apparently has to establish her bona fides by fomenting dissension, even on Christmas Eve.

It is typical.

429 posted on 12/24/2004 2:18:20 PM PST by sinkspur ("How dare you presume to tell God what He cannot do" God Himself)
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To: Pyro7480

Thanks for the mini-history lesson, that was interesting. I've always seen the word integrist used as an insult here on the Forum, and wasn't familiar with the term at all before, but it always seemed to fall real short of its mark because of the root it shares with integrity, integral, etc.


430 posted on 12/24/2004 2:22:52 PM PST by AlbionGirl
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To: AlbionGirl; Pyro7480
Quick definition: Integrism is that form of both historical and theological error, and sometime outright rebellion / schism, which confuses the substance and accidents of faith and considers them both to be "Integral" to the Faith..

Integrism was coined during the Pontificate of Pius X.

431 posted on 12/24/2004 2:28:53 PM PST by sinkspur ("How dare you presume to tell God what He cannot do" God Himself)
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To: Columba
As I understand it, Bp. Fellay suspects the Novus Ordo/Modernist side is trying to entrap the SSPX in order to more fully suppress the Latin Mass and more further entrench its errors. Now what events could have led him to suspect such a thing?

Fellay would rather be a big fish in a small pond.

434 posted on 12/24/2004 2:35:48 PM PST by sinkspur ("How dare you presume to tell God what He cannot do" God Himself)
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To: Columba
Hit a raw nerve there sinky? :-)

Just trying to be nice Columba. It's Christmas Eve.

Reviving dead threads in order to post flame bait will make your stay here very short.

435 posted on 12/24/2004 2:37:42 PM PST by sinkspur ("How dare you presume to tell God what He cannot do" God Himself)
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