Need Info on Bible Translation

8/4/04 | self

[Quix]

Likewise I find your character more than a little askew, but that is all right, we all are not the same.

Qx: Certainly many would agree with you--as, often enough, would I.

You take all the credit for your criticism of God's Word, very generous of you to do so.

Qx: No clue what you're talking about there. NOT criticizing God's WORD anyway. Interesting that you'd construe it that way. Perhaps you have a perceptual problem about such things.

Qx: Am wary of seemingly extremely flawed human assumptions about translations--especially when the foundations of the assumptions seem to be so overtly flawed.

You love the KJV, but have no respect for it, makes sense. Speaking of arrogant and sanctimonious, look in the mirror.

Qx: I think that's an off the wall statement. Sleeping with it like a teddy bear in university is lack of respect? Memorizing major amounts due primarily to osmosis from so much reading of it sounds like lack of respect? Leaves me wondering again about some perceptual problem.

Qx: I can sort of understand your accusations of arrogance and sanctimoniousness. But, actually, I'm quite comfortable avoiding fixation on any one translation. I'm quite comfortable presuming that I don't have Mt Sinai's pronouncements on the KJV. I'm quite comfortable learning from a diversity of versions of God's Word. I've even had to become quite comfortable accepting that there even is something real called bibliolatry and that I used to be dangerously close to it. I'm certainly quite comfortable knowing I don't know all there is to know about translations and the so called sanctified state of only one of them.

I never said the KJV was the Holy of Holies of translations, it is the one for me, I have not had any problems with it.

Qx: Not in those words. But the tone, attitude, and sentence structures and word choices said that by wholesale implication up one side and down the other.

Do you consider the Episcopalians and Catholics to be healthy congregations?

Qx: I've seen some healthy Episcopal ones. Have heard of a healthy Roman one or so but haven't personally seen it. Had good fellowship to a point with a Mary Knoll Sister in Mainland China.

[Quix]

Qx: Fascinating.

In your humble opinion of course? You need to look up humble in your dictionary, because you don't have a clue. Prideful opinion should be your tagline.

Qx: Interesting perception and assumptions. Somewhat understandable. I can be quite forceful when I'm concerned about idolatry and seeming to spread it. But I'm quite comfortable with a long list of long dark nights of the soul The Lord has used to teach what I'm told by others is a significant level of humility compared to average. But others are certainly a better judge of that. You seem to lack sufficient information or something.

Qx: Let me get this right. You are accusing ME of PRIDEFUL OPINIONS? Fascinating. Guess I'd thought I'd worded things much more flexibly and mildly than you had.

And what is this about "prayer warriors do your stuff?"
I am sure the Lord finds "stuff" amusing, as you seem to.
You have a demeanor of a total lack of respect for the Word and probably for the author.

Qx: I find that statement off the wall. Perhaps your mirror has been shattered.

You need to be saved and filled with the Holy Spirit.

Qx: Sounds like some heavy duty unfounded judgments from a pretty self appointed lofty position, to me.

Qx: I personally try to insure a measure of refilling by Holy Spirit on a daily basis. Have long ago received Christ as my Savior based on confession, repentance, confessing with the mouth; believing in the heart etc.

Qx: This post affirms my assessments of your perceptual . . . tendencies as well as the sorts of underlying dynamics which seem to wed/bond you so tenaciously to such a starkly narrow and rigid fixation on the KJV. Eventually Holy Spirit will very likely pry you loose from it if you are determined to go on with God. He will very likely at least broden your perspective toward becoming much less narrow and rigid. But, I don't know how many years are left in our era given the rush of end times at a faster and faster pace. It may not be a very high priority of his if your idolatry is as negligible as you seem to insist it is.

Interesting how charitable and flexible the KJV has left you.

[Quix]

By that definition,

The KJV translators are as guilty as any you assail regarding the modern translations. It appears that your perceptual capacities to see the truth of that are somehow, for some reason seriously compromised.

Given your interesting misconstructions of me as a person; of my motives, character, humility/pride and spirutal health--it's somewhat understandable how easy it must be for you to misconstrue the truths of solid modern translations.

[Quix]

There are many things I'm waiting for clarity on.

But, God is faithful to provide light sufficient for each day; PTL.

Thankfully, my path is no longer obscured by an inordinate obsession with and (in my case, fairly mindless) blindness about the hazards of idolatry of the KJV.

[Kackikat]

ROFL,,,,The King James Version wasn't created until 1600's...King James of England had it translated. Moses only had ten commandments, there was no compiled Old Testament, only Hebrew writings. The New Testament was written in Greek. The NIV and NKJV are actually translated from the ORIGINAL WORKS, and approved by Pastors, Priests, and Scholars of Greek and Hebrew.
Take another look!

[Kackikat]

You are definately confused here, the KJV is not hated, it is just written in Elizabethan English spoken in 1600's when King James of England had it translated from Hebrew OT and Greek NT. The NIV and others are saying the same thing just more readable, and anyone not wanting to accept that is just plain silly.

[Kackikat]

Jesus said "take this bread and drink this cup IN REMEMBRANCE of me"

[AAABEST]

Are you saying, that you believe the wafer becomes the actual flesh of Christ and the wine becomes the actual blood of Christ?

I'm not saying that, He is. Very clearly and repeatedly.

[Quix]

Bless you Bro Allen.

I too have known the KJV for 57 years.

I REALLY TO *NOT* know and would rather not know where you are on the hazards of such things. But I was alarmed at the wording and so forth which reminded me of so many I've met who were.

I take your word in good faith that you know the difference and are not over that line.

I mostly prefer, in addition to that, that you have some appreciation for the fact that the KJV also HAS FLAWS. And, that it's very arguable whether it or the better modern translations are LIKELY [who can tell without the originals] to be closer to the originals. I read earlier where you seemed to understand that the KJV has some flaws.

It is still beautiful, wonderfully and reasonably accurate--especially on the essentials--and I still enjoy it. And will be bound the rest of my life to looking up KJV key words because it's the WORD hidden in my heart and branded on my mind.

I think our bro on this thread illustrated my other concern well. Many people not reared in a KJV culture are just unable or unwilling to devote the time and energy to slogging through the archaic language to get any benefit from the KJV. Putting such people under a burden that they are more or less hell bound to hideous error unless they do just really drives me--well--beyond calm.

Thanks for your msg.

Blessings to you and your family.

[Quix]

Thanks for your concern about my spiritual-mental health being polluted by too much learning or intellectualizing or some such.

I suspect the long dark nights of the soul have washed more of that out than you dare imagine.

The narrow Way, as I see it, does not mean that the KJV is at all significantly more part of the narrow way than the best modern translations. But I don't want to belabor that point further.