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CALVINISM MAKES GOD THE AUTHOR OF SIN
The GOSPEL TRUTH ^

Posted on 07/11/2004 7:06:05 AM PDT by thePilgrim

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To: Religion Moderator; Jean Chauvin; drstevej

Let me guess. Tell me if I'm wrong.

I haven't even read the thread, I just bumped into yor post.

In this posting, did you just slam a Calvinist, because a non-Calvinist complained of hurt feelings over the Calvinist's response to something the non-Calvinist said?

I promise that I will apologize if I am incorrect.

Dan


41 posted on 07/13/2004 6:43:06 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: BibChr
I don't understand your question, so I don't know if you're correct or not.

However, I didn't "slam" anyone, for any reason.

43 posted on 07/13/2004 6:47:53 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator
This horse has been beaten to death. Drop it.

With all due respect, I am totally befuddled by this attitude. When Jean and Alex take the time to research and document another posters comments they are working within the framework of how God orders civil society based on reason and fact. Through the presentation of past posts, a posters position can be shown to be inconsistent, without reason or fact, displaying a history of obsfucation, misleading, etc... This is the time-honored, and I would contend the godly way that disputes should be resolved.

In post-modern times, of course, we forsake truth in pursuit of charity.

44 posted on 07/13/2004 6:55:14 AM PDT by lockeliberty
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To: lockeliberty
In post-modern times, of course, we forsake truth in pursuit of charity.

I'm sorry, but there is more to this than meets the eye. Primarily, that it's gone on now for several weeks; everone knows what the issues and positions are; and it's time to move on. In light of all that background, your comment, supra, is false ... we don't do anything of the sort.

Everyone would be wise to drop this issue.

45 posted on 07/13/2004 7:16:40 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator

I've not posted to this thread. Been too busy lately working and spending weekends with a lady I am dating.


46 posted on 07/13/2004 7:39:30 AM PDT by connectthedots
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To: thePilgrim

Augustine assumes that God made all things very good....perhaps his assumption is incorrect.


47 posted on 07/13/2004 7:42:47 AM PDT by stuartcr
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To: stuartcr
Augustine assumes that God made all things very good....perhaps his assumption is incorrect.

Perhaps Augustine just assumed Genesis 1:31 was true. Are you saying otherwise?

48 posted on 07/13/2004 7:48:29 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("I talk to myself because I like dealing with a better class of people" - Jackie Mason)
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To: Alex Murphy

Yes...perhaps Genesis 1:31 is incorrect.


49 posted on 07/13/2004 8:01:10 AM PDT by stuartcr
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To: P-Marlowe
We all know that this was a veiled attack on my character because I happened to quote an inaccuate secondary source on a prior thread, which then became the principle topic of discussion on all the Protestant threads for the duration of about a week.

We know no such thing, and neither do you.

Where's your proof that Pilgrim was specifically pointing that comment to you?

.......and a burning bosom doesn't count as proof.

50 posted on 07/13/2004 8:29:14 AM PDT by ksen (Free the GRPL 3! (Woody, CaRepubGal, Wrigley))
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To: thePilgrim
Thanks for this topic Pilgrim. As a relatively new Calvinist I'm still finding new aspects of the theology that I wasn't aware of and am trying to see where my views fit within it.

I believe if pressed that I would consider myself an Infralapsarian. Which as far as I can tell has things fall in this order:

In writing out that list (from here) I wonder how that fits with the Scriptures that say we were Elect before the foundation of the world?

51 posted on 07/13/2004 8:40:08 AM PDT by ksen (Free the GRPL 3! (Woody, CaRepubGal, Wrigley))
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To: Religion Moderator
This horse has been beaten to death. Drop it.


52 posted on 07/13/2004 9:06:01 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("I talk to myself because I like dealing with a better class of people" - Jackie Mason)
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To: ksen
In writing out that list...I wonder how that fits with the Scriptures that say we were Elect before the foundation of the world?

I am a "supralapsarianist" according to that same chart. I cannot reconcile John 17:24/Ephesians 1:4 with Genesis 1 in any other way than to be a infra-something-or-another. Did you see the Robert Reymond "Modified Supralapsarianism" chart about half-way down that page? I like his definition/description of that position better, even though the presentation has faults (the timing of, and judgement following, the "contemplation" of sinners).

53 posted on 07/13/2004 9:26:19 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("I talk to myself because I like dealing with a better class of people" - Jackie Mason)
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To: P-Marlowe
Now how would a genuine newbie know that or even suspect that? Are you really a new freeper, or just a recycled previously banned freeper?

If you would give it some thought you might realize that this is not the only board of this type on the internet, and that word of ban baiting of Calvinists on this board by posters who oppose Calvinism is well known at other boards that Calvinists frequent.

I was invited here by a fellow Calvinist and was informed of the baiting of Calvinists in order to get them banned beforehand.

Some of us newbies come in here with quite a lot of knowledge of what goes on.

In addition, this is not the only board that has low-handed Arminians or other semi-pelagians that work to get Calvinists banned.

We have come to expect it everywhere we go. As a matter of fact, it wouldn't surprise me if you don't call the Mods to have me banned as you did the newbie yesterday. I've been warned you have a long history of doing just that.

54 posted on 07/13/2004 10:27:42 AM PDT by God_Is_True
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To: God_Is_True
As a matter of fact, it wouldn't surprise me if you don't call the Mods to have me banned as you did the newbie yesterday. I've been warned you have a long history of doing just that..

I didn't call the mod to have the newbie banned yesterday. I simply asked him whether or not he was a recycled banned freeper and before he ever bothered to answer he was banned (which would suggest that the mods determined that he was).

As far as me having a history of getting people banned, I dare say that those who have been banned for the most part were not banned in regard to anything that they said to an Arminian. Indeed all of the permanently banned freepers that I can think of were banned for essentially calling the mods nazis or for getting into flame wars about a certain religious sect (which shall remain nameless). Indeed for over a month my tag line was "free the GRPL3". I protested their bannings and you can check with the entire GRPL group who will verify that fact. As far as I know no one has ever gotten "banned" as a result of a conversation with me. Admittedly after a peculiar nasty exchange with one of the GRPL's I changed that tag line to one reqesting that the entire GRPL be banned, but no one was banned in regard to that tagline.

So with that in mind, who is your fellow Calvinist who invited you over here and who was it that related to you that I have a long history of getting posters "banned."

55 posted on 07/13/2004 11:42:36 AM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: God_Is_True; xzins; Revelation 911; Corin Stormhands
In addition, this is not the only board that has low-handed Arminians or other semi-pelagians that work to get Calvinists banned.

Would you mind telling us all who the "low handed Arminians" are on this thread. Or are you just tossing out a blanket character assasination in hopes that it will stick someplace.

As long as you are going to accuse freepers of being "low handed Arminians or other semi-pelagians", then you'd better be willing to state who those people are and point to specific instances of low handed arminainsm.

Since I am neither an Arminian nor a semi-Pelagian, you obviously don't mean me. So who is it that you are referring to?

56 posted on 07/13/2004 11:54:39 AM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe

Never mind. Ephesians210 is gone again. Some people are very slow learners.


57 posted on 07/13/2004 11:59:39 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: P-Marlowe; God_Is_True; xzins; Revelation 911; Corin Stormhands
low-handed arminians....pelagians

I once visited an archipelago.....does that qualify me???

58 posted on 07/13/2004 12:02:11 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Supporting Bush/Cheney 2004!)
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To: God_Is_True; P-Marlowe

All this talk about banning, doesn't sound very Christian to me.


59 posted on 07/13/2004 12:16:26 PM PDT by stuartcr
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To: xzins
I once visited an archipelago.....does that qualify me???

was it a pelagian achipelago or a gulagian archipelago ?

60 posted on 07/13/2004 12:22:31 PM PDT by Revelation 911
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