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Posted on 03/10/2004 9:37:27 PM PST by malakhi
Have you been grafted into Israel?
We excommunicate and anathematize every heresy that raises against the holy, orthodox and Catholic faith which we have above explained; condemning all heretics under whatever names they may be known, for while they have different faces they are nevertheless bound to each other by their tails, since in a'll of them vanity is a common element. Those condemned, being handed over to the secular rulers of their bailiffs, let them be abandoned, to be punished with due justice, clerics being first degraded from their orders. As to the property of the condemned, if they are laymen, let it be confiscated; if clerics, let it be applied to the churches from which they received revenues. But those who are only suspected, due consideration being given to the nature of the suspicion and the character of the person, unless they prove their innocence by a proper defense, let them be anathematized and avoided by all 1-intil they have made suitable satisfaction; but if they have been under excommunication for one year, then let them be condemned as heretics. Secular authorities, whatever office they may hold, shall be admonished and induced and if necessary compelled by ecclesiastical censure, that as they wish to be esteemed and numbered among the faithful, so for the defense of the faith they ought publicly to take an oath that they will strive in good faith and to the best of their ability to exterminate in the territories subject to their jurisdiction all heretics pointed out by the Church; so that whenever anyone shall have assumed authority, whether spiritual or temporal, let him be bound to confirm this decree by oath. But if a temporal ruler, after having been requested and admonished by the Church, should neglect to cleanse his territory of this heretical foulness, let him be excommunicated by the metropolitan and the other bishops of the province. If he refuses to make satisfaction within a year, let the matter be made known to the supreme pontiff, that he may declare the ruler's vassals absolved from their allegiance and may offer the territory to be ruled lay Catholics, who on the extermination of the heretics may possess it without hindrance and preserve it in the purity of faith; the right, however, of the chief ruler is to be respected as long as he offers no obstacle in this matter and permits freedom of action. The same law is to be observed in regard to those who have no chief rulers (that is, are independent). Catholics who have girded themselves with the cross for the extermination of the heretics, shall enjoy the indulgences and privileges granted to those who go in defense of the Holy Land....
From The Disciplinary Decrees of the Ecumenical Counci, translated by H. J. Schroeder (St. Louis: B. Herder Book Co. , 1937), pp. 242-243 [TAN books of Rockford IL, who bought B. Herder's lists, were contacted Jan 1996, and confirmed that copyright was not renewed on this edition]
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The only way the world is going to become subject to the Pope is voluntarily.
Just like the Converso's "conversion" was voluntary?
Like you, I agree it won't happen because God wouldn't allow it to happen.
It should be a simple matter for the RCC to renounce all past teaching concerning the punishment of "heretics" shouldn't it?
Those that accept the mark of the beast, do so voluntarily. :)
Yes, the Office still exists. I think it did go through a couple of name cnages over the years. I was trying to relocate my link from the Vatican on this. If you have the link, could you send it to me.
Did you know that in 2000 in Mexico Catholics were persecuting Protestants? Threatening them with machetes.
While I don't doubt that some people would try to protect others from heresy hunters, I do question just how long they might be able to hold out, especially if they were suspected of harboring 'heretics' or those considered a danger to the faith. How long might they still protect those with differing views, if their own children and families become threatened?
Who was it that said. 'History repeats itself.'?
Yeah, and Protestants in Ireland jeer little Catholic schoolgirls. It's little to do with religion. What a hatemonger you are.
SD
Why would they do so?
You seem to fail to understand any of the history you read, nor are you capable of placing it into a context. Let me try somethign contemporary. When you see "heretic" think "Muslim fanatic." Not "quiet, unassuming schoolmarm."
That might help you to understand why heresy, in certain historical circumstances was considered a capital offense.
Or it might not. I can't make a horse drink.
SD
That may help you to understand why I don't trust you to define heresy.
I thought I saved the page, but it may have been prior to a system restore.
LOL...sure Reggie we can put you next to the chickens, they will get you up early and give ya fresh eggs. :)
How many inches of rain have fallen the last 40 hrs? Sounds like a mess.
BigMack
From Christianity Today
Healing the Violence
Presbyterians, Catholics try to reconcile as expulsions persist in Chiapas.By Kenneth D. MacHarg, with reports from Compass Direct | posted 7/25/00
In March, about 70 Protestant families were expelled from the Mexican village of Plan de Ayala, in Chiapas state, by the town's Roman Catholic majority. "Fourteen homes were demolished by the mob as the Protestants fled to the hills for refuge," reports Seventh-day Adventist pastor Isaias Espinosa.
This is not unusual for Mexico's much-troubled southern region. Yet despite a climate of open hostility and violence, a handful of Roman Catholics and Presbyterian evangelicals are in pursuit of peace. "Political and religious leaders need to be looking for reconciliation," says Vern Sterk, a missionary of the Reformed Church in America. Both Catholic and Protestant participants are discussing how to return refugees to their homes, bring justice for innocent Christians, heal violence and division, and forgive one another.
Expulsions, Arrests
Paramilitary groups among indigenous Indians have waged guerrilla war since 1994 against Mexico's government, mostly in the Chiapas province.The ethnic and political conflicts have fanned the flames of religious tensions between Roman Catholics (80 percent of the population) and the fast-growing Protestants, who have surged at three times the rate of population growth during the 1980s.
Recently, Plan de Ayala has been practically sealed off from outside contact since a quarter of the local police department fled along with 20 evangelical families in May. About 50 evangelical families who remain have been held as semi-hostages, according to Hortensio Vázquez, a Seventh-day Adventist attorney.
"The evangelicals are being harassed and threatened with expulsion again," he says. Evangelicals' children are not allowed to attend school and the adults cannot go to their jobs.
"It appears to be a last-ditch effort by traditionalists to try and control evangelicals to keep them out," says an evangelical observer in the area. "If they can't keep the evangelicals out now, they're fighting a losing battle," he says, adding that over half the region's villages now have evangelicals. "There is no way to stop the evangelical movement," he says.
In its annual review of religious freedom around the world for 1999, the U.S. State Department reports that in Chiapas religious diversity is viewed as a threat to the indigenous culture.
The report noted that municipal authorities in San Juan Chamula, Chiapas, have expelled 30,000 evangelicals in the last 30 years.
The pope has aggravated the situation by expressing alarm about the growth of Latin American evangelicalism. During his 1999 visit to Mexico, Pope John Paul II urged Catholics to vigorously defend their faith against Protestant sects that have made inroads in Latin America. On previous visits to the region, the pontiff said that evangelicals are spreading "like an oil stain" in the region and "threaten to pull down the structures of faith in numerous countries."
Dialogue continues, but with much uncertainty. "The danger in digging into these issues is that old wounds will be reopened; [they] must be treated with the love of Christ," Sterk says.
Members of the Zapatistas, a guerrilla group that started with an armed uprising in Chiapas in 1994, say they are not interested in reconciliation. So far they have not taken part in Sterk's meetings. "You can't force people to reconcile," Sterk says. "You can only invite them to join the process. So, we'll continue to invite them."
Looks like it is about religion to me. Do you need some CROW to go with your WHINE? Will you be drinking from the pope's cup or do you need your own?
I suppose he came to make everyone catholic and to give everyone a machete! lol
From U.S. Department of State Annual Report on International Religious Freedom for 1999: Mexico
Roman Catholicism is the predominant religion; 89 percent of the population are at least nominal believers. Of this group, 29 percent participate actively in church services. According to various sources, Protestants of various denominations account for approximately 3.7 percent of the population; the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) approximately 1 percent; Seventh-Day Adventists, 0.81 percent; Jehovah's Witnesses, 0.51 percent; Judaism, 0.3 percent; Orthodox Christianity, 0.05 percent; non-Christian groups, 2 percent; and 3 percent of the population does not identify with any organized religion. There is no estimate of the number of atheists or of those who do not practice any religion. The "traditional" religion practiced largely among indigenous people in some areas of the states of Chiapas and Yucatan mixes Catholic and pre-Hispanic Mayan religious beliefs.There is a long history of religious intolerance and expulsions in certain indigenous communities whose residents follow traditional religious practices, and where religious diversity is viewed as a threat to indigenous culture. The Evangelical Commission in Defense of Human Rights claimed that municipal authorities had expelled 30,000 evangelicals from San Juan Chamula, Chiapas, in the last 30 years. In San Juan Chamula, Chiapas, the church, the area's most prominent building, features a mix of Mayan symbols and traditional Catholic motifs. On July 26, 1998, municipal authorities expelled 70 evangelical Christians living in the municipality. State officials helped them to return on August 1, 1998. However, the children of evangelicals have been denied access to the local public schools in six communities there since 1994. In 1998 the mayor of San Juan Chamula declared that evangelicals and Catholics who support them would be unable to register the births of their children. In response, the state government approved a second registration office to handle the evangelicals.
There were no reports that persons were detained or imprisoned solely because of their religious beliefs. However, according to press reports, on June 15, 1999, police arrested 13 Protestants who were building a church in Mitziton, Chiapas. The church construction reportedly had angered Mayan Indians in the area, who see Protestantism as a threat to their cultural religious practices, which involve a mixture of Catholicism and traditional Mayan beliefs. Hundreds of persons in Mitizon and the nearby town of Flores Magon met recently to demand that the Protestants leave the area.
There were no reports of the forced religious conversion of minor U.S. citizens who had been abducted or illegally removed from the United States, or of the Government's refusal to allow such citizens to be returned to the United States.
However, societal harassment of, and pressures against, evangelical Christians continued to be a problem. For example, local bosses of indigenous communities located in these areas sometimes regard evangelical groups and Catholic lay catechists as unwelcome outside influences and potential economic and political threats. As a result, these bosses sometimes acquiesced in, or actually ordered, the harassment or expulsion of individuals belonging primarily, but not exclusively, to Protestant evangelical groups. In many cases these expulsions involved the burning of homes and crops, beatings, and, occasionally, killings, although none of the latter have been reported in recent years.
On August 27, 1998, indigenous Catholics in Mitziton, Chiapas, took 23 evangelicals hostage and threatened to eject them from the community if they did not convert to Catholicism. Catholic and state authorities intervened to obtain their release. In addition, a number of Catholic churches were burned in Chiapas, but the authorities made no arrests.
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