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TOM MCCLINTOCK DAILY EDITION - 10/8/03 - GOING DARK!

Posted on 10/08/2003 7:10:21 AM PDT by Rabid Dog

As many of you know this has been a local, regional, national news and views thread. I want to thank all of you that have respected its intent. When I first started this thead, I was on the fence between Arnold and Tom. Within a week, it became clear that Tom was the man I could respect and support.

Within a month it became clear that the CA G.O.P. was not an organization I could respect and support and so I have switched parties and will be changing my screen name to Rabid Dog.

Tomorrow I am entering Freeper Detox and will be drying out for a week or so but am looking foward to discussing the changes in California under the leadership of our new governor - ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER!!


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: mcclintock
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To: SONbrad
Too bad Parsky sat on that $600,000 - Tom might have cinched the controller job with just a little support from the CA G.O.P. Then, perhaps we wouldn't have been in the financial situation we are in now.
341 posted on 10/08/2003 12:40:42 PM PDT by Rabid Dog
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To: Rabid Republican
Sounds good. And I do hope that he runs for Senator against Boxer. Take care.
342 posted on 10/08/2003 12:41:03 PM PDT by SONbrad
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To: SONbrad
Same war, different day. Later.
343 posted on 10/08/2003 12:41:11 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: SONbrad
Hey, I am handling it very well... I backed Simon too last go around, yaknow. :-) And so IS Tom , he is a man of faith and principle after all. Thanks for your unqualified "support" for Tom. It means a lot.. Really, it does.

He may need it someday if he opts ro run for the US Senate.

The fact he got 13% may be symbolic, too. 13.. hmmm? 13 .. nyahhh,, no coincidence, huh?

Have a good one. I have bills to pay and a cat to fleadip. ;-)

344 posted on 10/08/2003 12:44:45 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: Rabid Republican
"Now real decisions have to be made -- among them some of the most crucial that have faced any state. "

And the first decision is for the Liberals to figure out how to undo this mandate against leftism-gone-wild so they can peddle the same-old liberal politicies in business-as-usual.

Will Arnold shake things up or get dragged down by a death of 1000 cuts from the same liberal media that tried to terminate the terminator 5 days ago?

Stay tuned!
345 posted on 10/08/2003 12:45:45 PM PDT by WOSG (CALI RECALL VICTORY ! POWER TO THE PEOPLE!)
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To: Rabid Republican
I too would have voted for Tom. But face it:

Victory beats defeat all the time ... we've run moderates in Cali, we've run Conservatives in Cali, but for almost 8 years the common theme was: THEY WERE LOSERS.

YESTERDAY THE CALI REPUBLICANS WERE BIG WINNERS. 60% OF VOTERS WENT FOR REPUBLICANS IN A VERY HIGH TURNOUT ELECTION.

I urge you to stay in the GOP and stay *active* and *conservative* so the RINOs dont take over. Be glad for what happened. This is a wakeup call to the Democrats. The Republicans could take this and do nothing *or* they could build on this and take back state house seats, get a strong player in against Boxer, and fight to have Bush win Cali in 2004. ALL are possible now!!

346 posted on 10/08/2003 12:49:30 PM PDT by WOSG (CALI RECALL VICTORY ! POWER TO THE PEOPLE!)
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To: RedBloodedAmerican

It's easy to have "principles" and "promises" when you dont have the power to break them

I wish the new Governor all the best in a difficult job.

347 posted on 10/08/2003 12:54:39 PM PDT by WOSG (CALI RECALL VICTORY ! POWER TO THE PEOPLE!)
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To: Rabid Republican
"If the CA G.O.P. gets it together - I will be back. Right now I have a 25 year history with them in California and it hasn't been a good one."

So, would you be happier if the recall never happened?
Or failed?
Or lost to Cruz?

I think the emotion of victory should be joy.
348 posted on 10/08/2003 12:56:31 PM PDT by WOSG (CALI RECALL VICTORY ! POWER TO THE PEOPLE!)
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To: Carry_Okie
That "fact" cannot withstand serious scrutiny.

You're trying to win an unwinnable argument and, whether consciously or not, are trying to change the subject. The initial point was my rather narrow one, contradicting a post asserting that Cruz and Arnold had "virtually identical" positions on the issues. I said that the men might have similar positions on "social issues," but their stated positions on taxes were hugely different -- and, thus, that the "virtually identical" language was a big overstatement.

Now you're trying to say that you get to assume Arnold will break his promise, and break it so thoroughgoingly that he will put in place a tax approach "virtually identical" to what Cruz PROMISED to do.

Sorry, you don't get to assume that. You can doubt Arnold from here to Sunday, and I'm sure you do. But there's hardly a "virtual identity" (on taxes) between a candidate who PROMISES to raise taxes and one who promises NOT to, albeit with what you surely characterize as loopholes. This lack of "virtual identity" simply is not reasonably debatable, unless your view of "virtual" is different than mine.

What you appear to want is to debate what you predict Arnold WILL do. What's to debate? You're very confident he'll cave and raise taxes. Of your confidence therein, I have no doubt. I am hoping that you're wrong, even if I can't be without fear that you may prove right. (Heck knows we'd not have "caving" to worry about with McClintock in there.)

349 posted on 10/08/2003 12:57:51 PM PDT by pogo101
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To: Rabid Republican
Independent

Do you mean Independent, as in the American Independent Party (a CA party affiliated with the Constitution Party or seomthing), or decline-to-state, which is no party? "Independent" on the voter registration form means the AIP.

If you are Independent, then that is your party and you cannot vote in the GOP primaries. If you are decline-to-state, you can request the partisan ballot of any party that is willing to accept your vote. In March 2002, the Republicans, Democrats, and two minor parties allowed CA's no-party voters to vote the ballots of those parties. Decline-to-state voters don't get to vote for the central committee members.

The national GOP might have different views on the modified open primary for choosing the party's Presidential candidate.

350 posted on 10/08/2003 12:58:43 PM PDT by heleny
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To: WOSG
I'm happy about the recall! But the CA G.O.P. didn't make that happen - they were opposed to it.

Cruz never had a chance.
351 posted on 10/08/2003 12:59:25 PM PDT by Rabid Dog
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To: heleny
I'm going to check out my options during my "hiatus". And I'll check into the CRA per Saundra Duffy's suggestion. I just know I'm not working for the G.O.P./Central Committee anymore.
352 posted on 10/08/2003 1:01:21 PM PDT by Rabid Dog
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To: Rabid Republican
When you check into the CRA, ask them if any Jews are welcome as candidates. Also, make sure you read the NFRA and Vanguard links.
353 posted on 10/08/2003 1:02:53 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine (How much will you pay next year to see Siegfried and Nearly Headless Roy?)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
How about barky poodles?
354 posted on 10/08/2003 1:06:00 PM PDT by Rabid Dog
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To: pogo101
Now you're trying to say that you get to assume Arnold will break his promise, and break it so thoroughgoingly that he will put in place a tax approach "virtually identical" to what Cruz PROMISED to do.

I took your words at face value. You are putting words into my mouth.

Arnold made no promise, remember? You are therefore assuming he won't raise taxes without proof.

Sorry, you don't get to assume that. You can doubt Arnold from here to Sunday, and I'm sure you do. But there's hardly a "virtual identity" (on taxes) between a candidate who PROMISES to raise taxes and one who promises NOT to, albeit with what you surely characterize as loopholes. This lack of "virtual identity" simply is not reasonably debatable, unless your view of "virtual" is different than mine.

I'm not assuming anything. As I have said, many times including this thread, one has to judge Arnold by what he does and what he puts in writing. He has taken on many of Pete Wilson's advisors, precisely the people who raised taxes under nearly identical circumstances. He has committed to enormous spending on costly environmental programs with arguable benefit that are also very destructive to the economic base of this State.

Because those observations have that support of fact, it is you who stands upon assertion that Arnold represents anything diffent.

355 posted on 10/08/2003 1:07:19 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Not scolding, Evie, just some advice.

Fine with me if you don't take it.
356 posted on 10/08/2003 1:13:38 PM PDT by EllaMinnow (Life is too important to be taken seriously.)
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To: Rabid Republican
In addition to the CRA, there's also the RLC (Republican Liberty Caucus). They endorsed Tom this year, too.

I considered switching to GOP last year because I was interested in the RLC platform. I didn't want to reregister, though, because I like the anonymity (in public records) of not having any party affiliation.

Good luck with whatever decision you make!

357 posted on 10/08/2003 1:14:07 PM PDT by heleny
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To: Roscoe
It's already starting

You're referring to the thread reporting that Dick Riordan said, on FOX TV this morning, that Arnold should raise internet taxes. (I do not know what Riordan actually said or in what context.) In the same thread, we are told that Riordan soon thereafter said, "I should have kept my mouth shut."

Of course, you are entitled to worry that Riordan has "inside info" and that his comments constitute an unintended spilling of Arnold's true intent. Maybe, but it's still a pretty big guess. To assert it as FACT rather than opinion is baldly disingenous.

Optimists are no less entitled to assert that Riordan was just popping his mouth off and that his comments in no way presage a tax hike. (Tangent: I can't see ANY state government taxing internet sales -- successfully, anyway -- without a uniform agreement (or federal law) to do so in all states that HAVE a sales tax.)

I have my FEARS about the former interpretation, but for now fall more into the latter. (BTW, are you under the impression that I'm some rah-rah Arnold supporter who professes NO doubt AT ALL about his fiscal-policy course in the years ahead??) As I posted hours ago in the thread to which you triumphantly linked:

____W-E-S-T-E-R-N_____U-N-I-O-N____


TO: HON RICHARD RIORDAN, LOS ANGELES, CA

FM: A SCHWARZENEGGER, SACRAMENTO



DEAR DICK STOP

RE YOUR COMMENT THIS AM ON FOX THAT I SHOULD RAISE TAXES STOP


YOU'RE NOT HELPING STOP


---END MESSAGE----

358 posted on 10/08/2003 1:16:01 PM PDT by pogo101
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To: Rabid Republican; strela; Poohbah; Catspaw; dighton; habs4ever; ArneFufkin; Tamsey; ...
So, I guess you don't particularly care that the implicit goal of the NFRA and the CRA (and stated explicitly in thevanguard.com) would exclude Jews from GOP political life?
359 posted on 10/08/2003 1:18:12 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine (How much will you pay next year to see Siegfried and Nearly Headless Roy?)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Wow. They really are the Taliban wing of the Republican party.
360 posted on 10/08/2003 1:20:10 PM PDT by EllaMinnow (Life is too important to be taken seriously.)
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